freezingflyboy

I'm curious about this as well (I think you are referencing the Aer Lingus tie-up/scope experiment). Has anyone said anything about scope at the bottom end; you know, those pesky RJs?

Disclaimer: I am just a lowly RJ driver and I know this is not my place. But there are a lot of us on this side who are counting on the big boys to hold the line so we have a shot at moving on in this life time.

APC225

"Pilots will be paid monthly on the sixteenth (16th) of the month following each bid period. Pilots in Active Status will receive an advance in pay on the first (1st) of each month, preceding the bid period in the amount of four thousand dollars ($4000.00) for Captains, and three thousand dollars ($3000.00) for First Officers. The advance will be seven hundred and fifty ($750.00) for pilots in their first year of service."

CAL 73

If it gets voted down 55% to 45%, they will tweak rates and retro to get the 5.01% needed to pass it. That will not take long.

I know we are all hungry and psychologically drained waiting for our contract, but we can not settle on the crumbs they throw off the table. We can't settle on a deal that is not worthy of a contract. Have faith, management needs a deal now more than we do and they will give more if we stand strong. Vote NO

JoePatroni

What he said.

horrido27

Currently getting $108.22.. 6th yr 756 FO.
Reserve, 76 hours.

1 Jan 13 if TA becomes JCBA- $117.67.

um, how is that 40-63%?
Raise of $9.45

Motch

SoCentralRain

Yep. What he said.

Courage, **** just GET SOME. You can wait another 9-12 months.

I've waited over 8 years on furlough. Don't tell me about running out of patience.

So...get up, stand up. Stand up for your rights. Sound off ******.

SCR

horrido27

Oh.. and I also don't believe that $234.78 for a B747 Capt. while a DAL B747 makes $254.74 is correct either!

Though, we got a nice A380 payscale~
$330.20!

What were they thinking?

Motch

forgot to bid

where are the polls?!

you need threads with polls. Admittedly it's a flawed system in that non UCAL pilots can vote but it's still interesting to see.

oldmako

Sled, your comments RE my previous post are in quotes. I'm a Luddite, so you'll have to adapt and bear with me.

"End of contract Pay is industry leading"

Who cares about the pay at the end? Gas will be 6/gal by then and interest rates back into double digits! Why wait? The end is years off. I don't see enough other good stuff to justify the wait. Call me a bomb tosser, but JH promised industry leading. He and his homies did all they could to derail the contract progression for years, yet now we're going to pay El Heffe to finance the replacement jets? In fact, while we're at it, JH told me to my face that retro "was all there". Must be fuzzy math, because all I see is bupkis. I'm tired of giving UAL anything. My rectum is sore and they still want more. Nyet!

"That's 3.5 to push or 30 min less than what we have now. AND, if less than 3 hours call out you can park in pay parking and expense it."

Nope. Right not we have NO time to call out. ZERO, ZIP. You show me where it says 4 hours. You won't find it for a reason. The TA says that times can be reduced to 2:30! Who gives a ship about paid parking? I have successfully worked reserve from 200 miles from domo for 10 years. Never missed an assignment or been late when using the old "four hour" rule. Not one call from a flight manager. Not one late push. There is NO way I, or hundreds of other guys will be able to fulfill the new guideline. In 18 months or less, 2:30 will be the NORM and I'll wager a case of Heneken on it. This contract doesn't pay me enough to move. I'll take a wild guess that you're not on reserve, or live in domicile. Good for you. But before you toss our the usual crap about choosing to live in BFE, I USED to hold a line on the 37, the 67 and now the bus. My home was never an issue, while either a reserve or line holder. I've lived in the same spot since date of hire. Now, I need to move. Short calls galore, freebie FSB's, potential loss of a picked up trip to pretty much anyone, etc. "Just go sit in ops and be glad you have a job." THE RESERVE RULES SUCK. Whoopee! A three hour increase in guarantee and the occasional Oreo's tossed your way after rough sex. BFD! Please Sir, May I have another? Fly into your vacation? On a scheduled day off? MJM? What's not to like?

"at 100% pay premium AFTER they have SRMed for 100% pay premium with no takers. I can live with that. BTW, you mentioned SWA earlier. They have IJA (involuntary junior assigned)"

Glad you can live with it. Vote yes. I cannot and will negate your vote. The company could EASILY find way to cover any and all open flying without routinely screwing anyone. The CAL side of the house is used to 150% at the whim of the company. So, offer it up front and let the OT guys fly themselves into an early old folks home. They've got 7 billion to finance the P.A.T.T.

After a year or two of this contract, they'll have 10B. This contract is loaded with incentive pay. Why does it have to be doled out AFTER someone gets screwed? My last job had incentive pay for MJRM and it was universally loathed. There are better ways to cover open flying, even in irreg ops.

VACA pay is concessionary.

"compared to what we have? that don't make no sense James. 3.25 is a 16% increase."

True. But, VACA drop has been decimated! So, talk to some guys who are used to significantly improving their QOL with it before you arbitrarily decide that it's nothing. In the end, I am a QOL guy, not interested in working 20 days per month for an extra 10%. It's a big reason I wanted to wear a striped tie.

LCAL dude

If it gets voted down 80-20 they will have to do a heck of a lot more. Time for the 99% who voted for the strike to back it up.


Get out the vote, people.