Jimmykool

I read somewhere in the explaination section that scope specifically addresses this. Aer Lingus was actually the eg.

Rocketiii

So when the reserve comes in at the end of his 4 day at 9am, he can take the midnight redeye out. Or come on call at 3am, they don't need you then give you a evening departure. Same crap they do now. Assume all provisions will be whittled down due to no staffing-ever. Constant short call. 90 reserve hours before bypass? Cal loses 3 hours of guarantee with same days off unless we "earn" some back? No seniority based call out times and no ability to pass. Just FIFO. Remember, anything that looks remotely beneficial will be manipulated and abused in ways you haven't seen yet because of improper staffing. At least they have 9 months to implement reserve areas if I recall- get them through another summer.

jsled

SCR, Just had some beers with a UAL council rep. Smart fellow. He explained the impossible position The CAL reps put them in....Delay the TA or compromise with Longevity and move on. The latter would give furloughees a 30% + raise (< $10 dollars or so short per hour than if you got full longevity) or hold up the TA because of CAL ALPA's SLI strategy. The choice was hard but clear.

Sled

APC225

And to save money. For example, are you happy the first class DH survived? Look again. It still says "at time of booking." UAL pilots assume that this booking will still take place, as it does now, when the monthly schedules come when there are still open first class seats. CAL pilots know, since it doesn't say when the booking has to take place, the company will just change the time of booking to 24 hours before the flight, when there are no first class seats left. "Time of booking" not specified in the contract, problem solved. No more pilots in first class.

UAL pilots have no idea how this management views a contract. And as this is a completely new one every line is ungrieved virgin territory. They will interpret it in ways you could not imagine and just rope-a-dope us in the RLA grievance process just as they have the negotiations until we just give up from fatigue--just like many feel now.

The only hope is to vote this down, in a big way, to get full retro up front, immediate industry leading pay rates, makes some gains on scope, and tighten up the language. It's the only solace we're gonna have for six plus four years.

rogual

True it is a signing bonus but is being distributed proportionally as if it were a retro only smaller. Seems a fair way to go, even though it's short.

SUX4U

That example you gave of interpreting the F class DH situation just made me sick to think that the regional management mentality really exists in the legacy level... On behalf of all of us outside looking in, do everyone and favor and get what you deserve in unbreakable language.

LCAL dude

Can I borrow $100,000 from you? I promise to pay you $8,000 back 4 years from now and call it even.




Still sound fair?

jsled

Not exactly. The company will be saving app. 1.3M per day without this contract and will be in no hurry. They will want to change this and that, the NMB will want ALPA to do a Wilson Poll to determine why the contract failed... In the end, you'll end up with the same dollar cost to the company just rearranged to make it look better. At least go to a road show before you vote. This has all been done before, over and over. The results for labor are not pretty.

Sled

jsled

Airbus Captain current rate 137/hr
DOS........188/hr (37%)
Jan 2017.......224/hr (63%)

Sled

jsled

Our management played the same games. Maybe not to the same extent, but First Class DH on domestic flights was almost non existant after our 2003 contract. The new language is better.

From the TA:

5-C-2 Global Flight Deadheading
When On-Line deadheading on a Global Flight, a Pilot shall be booked positive space. Pilots shall be booked in Business Class, if available at the time of booking. If Business Class is unavailable, the booking shall be in First Class, if available at the time of booking. If both
Business Class and First Class are unavailable, Business Class shall be overbooked to accommodate the Pilot, unless Business Class does not exist on the aircraft, in which case First Class shall be overbooked to accommodate the Pilot. When a Pilot is booked in Business Class, he may be upgraded to First Class at the gate on the day of Departure, but only after all revenue passenger upgrades have been accommodated (e.g., MileagePlus upgrades). When a
Pilot is overbooked in Business Class or First Class, he shall be boarded in Business Class or First Class and may not be downgraded to Economy Class (including Economy Plus). In no case shall a Pilot whose deadheading is booked under this Section 5-C-2 be required to deadhead in Economy Class (including Economy Plus).


5-C-1-d When deadheading to or from any assignment, if the deadhead leg is greater than eight (8) hours or the total amount of deadheading in the Duty Period is greater than eight
(8) hours, the Pilot shall be booked in accordance with the provisions of Section 5-C-2. (above)

5-C-1-h A deadheading Pilot booked in First or Business Class shall not be downgraded to Economy Class to accommodate an upgraded passenger.

5-C-1-e A Pilot whose deadhead is booked under this Section 5-C-1 shall not be required to deadhead in Economy Class if the seat is not an Economy Plus seat except that:
5-C-1-e-(1) If the aircraft is not configured with Economy Plus seating, then premium Economy Class seating that has extra legroom shall satisfy a requirement to be seated in Economy Plus.
5-C-1-e-(2) If the aircraft is not configured with Economy Plus seating, premium Economy Class seating, Business Class or First Class, the Pilot may be seated in Economy Class even if the seat is not Economy Plus.