vacation in the TA
 

While vacation pay does go up, it doesn't break you even on a trip.

vacation should allow you to at least leave work for a week without having to pick up a trip to make up the difference.

The wide body pilots all fly 25 plus hour productive 3 day trips. An entire week of vacation doesn't allow you to stay home or go on vacation without losing money.

Why is that?

I was expecting a day of Vacation to equal 5 hours of Pay. It should~

Then again, if a guy took a whole month off for Vacation- that would amount to 140hrs of pay... So that can't work either.

There has to be some middle ground.

Vacation pay doesn't go up on the CAL side. It's still the same 3.25/day that we have now. The only thing that changes is that we get full credit for that time during the PBS run, er sorry, "preferencing" window instead of partial credit.

Isnt it 3:15 minutes but 3.25 hours now?

It looks like you guys go from 3 weeks vacation straight to 5 weeks at the 11 year mark -is that right? Delta goes to 4 weeks in year 14 and then doesn't jump to 5 weeks until year 21 I believe...that's a huge difference in manning for about a decade!!

Try that again.
 

Ummm... check your math. You don't get EVERY day at 5 hours, only the working days. So 12 day off in a 30 day month is 18 x 5 or 90 hrs of pay. Which would be right. Hell, even a reserve at the proposed guarantee of 73 hours for those 18 days of work would equal 4.056 hrs per vacation day...

Either way, you're not getting what you're worth.
(You only get what you can negotiate)

Sweet.

3:15 equal 3.25 hrs

I have got to change airlines! Your widebody guys ALL fly 25 hour plus 3 day trips???? Thats amazing schedules. Can't be done domestic and there are only a few international routes over 12 doubled crewed that might do that. Do you have incredible duty rigs for the widebodies or is there something else I am missing that allows them ALL such great trips?

It's the nature of the beast. There are no short legs on widebody airplanes like there were in the 1970s. Every time you strap that thing on you're going for a 13-16 hour ride.

Well sorta...

I used to fly IAD LHR all the time as a reserve. It was a lousy paying three day and that's why it fell into open all the time. Guys would dump it. Now, you could argue if the 767 is a true WB or not, but the bottom line is that not all three day trips pay that kind of coin. Anything western EU from the NE isn't going to pay like that. Ask the dudes on the west coast who do the Hawaii flying. Those trips used to end up in open and I'd DH FC to and from the west coast to fly them. It was a horrible paying trip for them, but for me with the DH pay great. Sure HI is great, but if you end up flying it constantly you need to fly 20 days to make 80ish hours. Again, there was a reason they were dumped and it was for low pay for TAFB.

That's back when being on reserve at UAL was pretty sweet. Of course, I used to wear 34 trousers and have 20-13 eyesight as well.

Simply not true ord 777 flying has den trips iad trips and so on. Not many but they are out there. In fact in nov there has been a 3 day den trip worth10:35, yep it's in open flying much of the time. Hnl 8-9

EWR-LHR, FRA, MUC are all 8 hourish rides, EWR-TLV 10-12.

Yes...and

Yes, at least when I learned it in school.

no duty rigs.

International wide body trips are usually very productive.

Newark to Naraita, Houston to Narita, Telaviv, Bombay, Delhi, China,

All that stuff is all you do when you get on the B777.

At some point we likely all aspire to fly wide body airplanes on premium routes. I have been on the B777 for six years and I love it. I used to dread going to work as I burned out something awful doing domestic.

When you go long haul two things will happen. YOu will value your time because finally you get paid for your time and your time away from base is minimized, and you start to get very protective of your time off.

They are long - long days, but to me it is worth it. I like being productive with my time and I like to have my time off when I am done with a long trip.

So can we count on your NO vote because the domestic slobs, especially those on reserve will have NO time free. They can steal a day off any time they want and reschedule you at will. Fly you into days off, VACA....whatever.

Thanks for your support!

12 years and on res! FTP

On the sUAL side, a vacation drop pays full credit, borrowing from next year's vacation. Instead of taking annual vacation at 2.8hrs/day, I can now drop a 7:30 one-day turn and be paid the full 7:30. For this drop, I use one vacation day from next year. In the TA, each of next year's vacation days are worth only 3.25. To drop this same one-day turn, they will still pay me 7:30, but they will take away 2.31 vacation days from next year. (7.5 / 3.25 = 2.31). ....and the guys over 25 years had their annual vacation reduced from 44 days to 42.