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Old 11-20-2012, 02:02 PM
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According to the TPA, it does not expire as long as we reach a TA with management.

Since a TA was reached, the terms of the TPA will not expire.

If we vote it down, the new 737's replacing the 757's will have to be flown by UAL pilots. They can't open any new bases to "Easternize" us.

No reason to vote "yes" out of fear!
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Originally Posted by untied View Post
According to the TPA, it does not expire as long as we reach a TA with management.

Since a TA was reached, the terms of the TPA will not expire.

If we vote it down, the new 737's replacing the 757's will have to be flown by UAL pilots. They can't open any new bases to "Easternize" us.

No reason to vote "yes" out of fear!
I believe if the membership votes down a TA, the TA no longer exists.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:53 PM
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I believe if the membership votes down a TA, the TA no longer exists.
You believe wrong.

The language does not say that we must ratify a TA...just that a TA must have been reached between the company and ALPA.

Clearly a mistake by management not to catch this.

It could be a game changer.
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February, 2012 Transition and Process Extension Agreement:

1. Section 13 (A) of the TPA shall be modified to read as follows:

Unless the Parties agree otherwise, the Airline Parties may jointly terminate the provisions of Sections 4-D (Domiciles), 7-A (Furlough with regard to S- UA Pilots only), 7-C (Flying Ratios), 7-D (Domicile and Base Protection), and 9 (ALPA Travel), individually or collectively, at any time on or after March 31, 2013, if the parties have not reached a tentative agreement on a JCBA by that date. Should the Company elect to terminate TPA Section 4- D pursuant to this paragraph, Paragraph 4 of this Extension Agreement shall also be terminated, effective on the same date that TPA Section 4-D is terminated.
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...................................nevermind
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Originally Posted by jsled View Post
Where do you guys come up with this stuff???

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Section 13

"if the parties have not reached a tentative agreement on a JCBA by that date."
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OK. But if you have a TA and it gets voted down, do you still have a TA? I'm asking. I am sure there are forum experts here that would say yes, but we would need a REAL answer.

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OK. But if you have a TA and it gets voted down, do you still have a TA? I'm asking. I am sure there are forum experts here that would say yes, but we would need a REAL answer.

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ALPA attorneys have been asked about this and they say that there is no provision for the TA to be ratified....just "reached".

Check that box, vote no, squeeze a better deal out of the company as they fire their lawyers for missing this little tidbit.
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This is very important information. Hopefully it reaches those who are still making their minds up.
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Just so that it stays on top...Knowledge is power
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