Sunvox

I apologize to the forum for being overly pendantic and admit that I was wrong. This TA is too conciliatory, and I will be voting no. I still think there is a tremendous amount of misinformation being bandied about, but after careful examination of the work rules, I agree this TA gives away too many protections and is open to abuse.

Sincerely,

Joe Peck
IADFO

jsled

Your apology is admirable, and I respect your decision. Now please reconsider.

Regards,
Sled

guido15

Could you be more specific? What exactly troubles you about the work rules? Serious question.

UAL SUX

No apology necessary

We all want the same thing - the industry leading contract we were promised.

Glad you changed your mind!

47dog

Great post. Even though I'm voting no, if you would have changed to yes and posted this, you have true class.

Mike

UAL SUX

Forced junior manning.

Moveable days off.

Shorter call out times.

Unpaid field standby.

Line holders required to contact company after an end-of-id deadhead for possible reassignment - may be required to remain available for an additional 3 hours.

A Long Call Reserve may be assigned a Trip that requires days off to be disrupted, even if a Short Call Reserve or Field Standby could be assigned the Trip without disruption.

Those trouble me quite a bit.

Sunvox

This is a copy of an email I just sent to Jay Heppner. I hope everyone voting NO is doing the same so ALPA has some sense of what to work on if this TA is voted down. I know everyone has their own reasons, but these were my primary issues.

guido15

Thanks. No apology required.

oldmako

Joe

That's exactly the conclusion that I came to the first time I read the TA. Yes, there are some wonderful gets included, but they are things wrested from us in bankruptcy through intimidation and fear in the post 9-11 environment. They're things that ought to be included in our post bankruptcy contract and we shouldn't have to pay for them. Yet it seems as though UAL continues to string us along because we let them and because they want to.

The last part of your statement is the one upon which I ultimately hung my hat, "open to abuse". It was bad enough read about the draconian working conditions at CAL when they were posted by LCAL pilots, but when the LUAL furloughs started showing up on the forums and recanting the horrors of being on reserve and the lack of protections in the contract it focused a laser beam on the QOL at CAL. Ever since Smisek took the helm, this place has been on a downward slide WRT QOL. There has been slow steady pressure to get rid of the UAL culture. As you stated, there are too many areas which are open to abuse. I'm tired of being abused. Ours is a profession and we deserve to be treated as professionals, not jerked around as though we're 1500 hour pilots flying at the commuters.

Joe, welcome to the dark side!

horrido27

I truly hope you are serious. And if so.. I hope you can speak to your fellow cockpit crew and explain your reasoning and why you changed your opinion.

If true, I admire you for two reasons.
You had the balls from the beginning to identify yourself and not just hid behind a screen name. That does take guts. Especially when you're stating an unpopular opinion (trust me.. I know~)
And now you are willing to admit that you may have been mistaken or not 100% correct. Again. Takes guts.

Thanks.

Peter "Motch" Matschulat
756 FO EWR

PS> I truly believe that this POS TA Does have some good points. There are some Golden Nuggets hidden within all that crap.
Now, all we need to do is send it back and wash away most of the crap and get a few more nuggets out of this thing.

As others have said, it's NEVER gonna be perfect nor will EVERYONE be happy.
But that being said- we're suppose to be the World's Largest Airline.. and as Jeffrey keeps saying- "The World Leader".
We deserve more, we deserve better. We just have to stand up and demand it.. and if needed, fight for it~