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ERJ Jay 12-01-2012 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by NavyCal (Post 1302678)
I know Cal is gone forever, but I am not voting in favor of any concession.

Agree 100%.

I know CAL is gone.

But I am NOT voting in FAVOR of a concessionary agreement when we are making money and they need a deal from us.

This is not 1983, this is not 1991, this is not 2002 - they need the deal, and they have the money to pay for.

Now all we have to do is make them!

Just Vote NO.

johnso29 12-01-2012 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1302562)
Please show us the empty planes? Do you really think they will shudder sUAL to spite the pilots who will in turn receive jobs at sCAL? What are the costs involved of furloughing sUAL pilots? How much revenue will the company forgo by parking 30+% of the sUAL fleet?

I'm just not buying the argument.

When DAL/NWA merged the fleet was 760ish airplanes. Today our fleet count is around 720. RASMs have increased too. Up until this year it was double digit YOY RASM increases.

My point being that it is possible to "shrink to profitability" but there is a limit. Based on the YOY RASM increases slowing down, DAL is approaching that point.

Regularguy 12-01-2012 10:46 AM

"But I am NOT voting in FAVOR of a concessionary agreement when we are making money and they need a deal from us."

It is NOT a concessionary contract by any means. It does not measure up to expectations. You all want more!

flybynuts 12-01-2012 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Regularguy (Post 1303094)
"But I am NOT voting in FAVOR of a concessionary agreement when we are making money and they need a deal from us."

It is NOT a concessionary contract by any means. It does not measure up to expectations. You all want more!

All of this comes down to what you believe. Do I believe the Union? Do I believe this contract is an improvement? Do I believe the company is wanting a deal for no other hidden motives? Do I believe that there is not money left? Do I believe I can live with this contract for 5-7 years?

These are simple but big questions that are hard to answer with 100% assurance. For me I struggle with the truths and trying to decode all the mixed signals. However, don't vote out of fear.


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