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757Driver 12-14-2012 06:00 AM

Don't forget the "new" portion for lineholders as well. You can be given a Field Standby assignment as one of the reassignment features of this contract. Excellent, just when you thought you were off reserve get your ass to the airport and sit around.

jsled 12-14-2012 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 1311593)
Don't forget the "new" portion for lineholders as well. You can be given a Field Standby assignment as one of the reassignment features of this contract. Excellent, just when you thought you were off reserve get your ass to the airport and sit around.


WIth PTC, you are getting paid your line value. If you lose a trip, then yes, they can reassign you to a period of FSB (4 hours) that reports at the scheduled departure time of the trip you lost. IOW, 4 hours of field standby in exchange for your 20hr 4-day, or whatever you lost, for which you are getting paid.

20-F-1-a-(5)

Sled

CALFO 12-14-2012 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1311531)
Current s-UAL contract Field Stby is worth 5 hours per day hard time.

they used to build lines of just field stby and the local senior guys used to bid these. Never flew a single trip while on field standby. I used to bring a good book to OPS, dressed in civilian clothing and kept the monkey suit in the car just in case. Got paid 90 hours for 18 days of FSB and was home every day.

I agree that the JCBA screwed this up for us. I am still a NO!

Here's the math in the above scenario under the JCBA:

Pure short call line = MPG of 76.3 hours.

If they convert you to FSB for all 18 days and never give you an assignment, you will receive 16 hours of add pay (18-2=16)

Total pay for month equals 92.3 hours.

757Driver 12-14-2012 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1311606)
WIth PTC, you are getting paid your line value. If you lose a trip, then yes, they can reassign you to a period of FSB (4 hours) that reports at the scheduled departure time of the trip you lost. IOW, 4 hours of field standby in exchange for your 20hr 4-day, or whatever you lost, for which you are getting paid.

20-F-1-a-(5)

Sled

A big step BACKWARDS on the CAL side. Thought we were either going with best practices or an improvement?

jsled 12-14-2012 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 1311631)
A big step BACKWARDS on the CAL side. Thought we were either going with best practices or an improvement?

Really? I am not familiar with CAL current book, but it is my understanding that you are not pay protected for a trip until 24 hours prior to the trip. PTC is line guarantee. Your PBS awarded credit time is your Protected Time Credit. So, under the TA...you're getting paid no matter when you lose the flying. Since the company is paying you, they have reassignment options. One of these options is (1) FSB period at the scheduled dept. time of your lost trip. You would be reporting to the airport for the trip had it not been cancelled, correct? You are still getting paid for the trip. I don't have any heartburn with this section.

Sled

Coach67 12-15-2012 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1311576)
OBJECTION: LEADING THE WITNESS

They do NOT use FSB "all the time". They used it all the time back in the mid to late 90's. Now it's quite rare to get FSB. It's usually a holiday thing that they use in categories where they are fat on reserves. Why? Because in 4 hours, they lose you for the day. They would rather have you on the hook for 15 hours, and know you are getting to the airport within 3 hours or so then have you close by and only get you for 4 hours.

Wrong! You obviously are not based in JFK, ORD, IAD

Freddriver5 12-15-2012 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1311590)
It's fun to reminisce about the good ol' days. Field standby lines and such. I have been on reserve for the last 6 years. Didn't even see a FSB assignment until the last 2. When you tell somebody in ops that you're on FSB, they ask "we still do those?"

Sled

Yep, just like all those L-UAL folks who have no idea that we still have 1436 furloughees. Just because it is not your personal experience does not negate the reality for many....


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