CAL/UAL hiring info
12-28-2012, 09:03 AM
#31
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CAL was a West coast airline. Even had bases out there. UAL was instrumental in running CAL out. Karma is a b____!
There are no CAL captains that hold their position "out of seniority". It is their seniority that allows them to hold it. Sure, there are a couple senior widebody FO's that don't bid narrowbody captain. That doesn't mean the junior narrowbody captain shouldn't hold it either. Maybe we should give our captain spots to the UAL pilots without jobs?
As a merged airline, bases and aircraft will be moved around. CAL pilots have NO say in it. I was born and raised in the SF bay area. Don't worry, I'm staying in EWR (PA). I defected from the People's Republic of Kalifornia and I'm not going back!
There are no CAL captains that hold their position "out of seniority". It is their seniority that allows them to hold it. Sure, there are a couple senior widebody FO's that don't bid narrowbody captain. That doesn't mean the junior narrowbody captain shouldn't hold it either. Maybe we should give our captain spots to the UAL pilots without jobs?
As a merged airline, bases and aircraft will be moved around. CAL pilots have NO say in it. I was born and raised in the SF bay area. Don't worry, I'm staying in EWR (PA). I defected from the People's Republic of Kalifornia and I'm not going back!
12-30-2012, 02:36 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Uhhhh...you have not been a west coast pilot.
We had Shuttle which was an airline within an airline--and stopped Southwest dead in their tracks. That has never been done before. Shuttle did make money, but where it really shined was feed to mainline and international. It suffered greatly on 9-11 and was eventually shut down to be reborn again in a failed attempt to still compete.
Bottom line is that UAL has always owned California and the west coast NS operation---until Glenn parked the guppies. That had a devestating effect on everyone from LAX to SEA, more so than ORD, DEN, or IAD.
To bring back guppies into SFO after the insult from Glenn would be the absolute denigration and should never be contemplated until SLI is done. If CO were to open SFO to guppie captain, many of our junior 320 F/O's were actually 737 captains. To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.
So, yes, the west coast is different from ORD and IAD.
We had Shuttle which was an airline within an airline--and stopped Southwest dead in their tracks. That has never been done before. Shuttle did make money, but where it really shined was feed to mainline and international. It suffered greatly on 9-11 and was eventually shut down to be reborn again in a failed attempt to still compete.
Bottom line is that UAL has always owned California and the west coast NS operation---until Glenn parked the guppies. That had a devestating effect on everyone from LAX to SEA, more so than ORD, DEN, or IAD.
To bring back guppies into SFO after the insult from Glenn would be the absolute denigration and should never be contemplated until SLI is done. If CO were to open SFO to guppie captain, many of our junior 320 F/O's were actually 737 captains. To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.
So, yes, the west coast is different from ORD and IAD.
Therefore; legacy "U" dudes...shut up and color and get over the fact that these events are occurring. We have been required to "share" this turd of an agreement...we "share" all hubs, flying, and equipment. Get over it...
12-31-2012, 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.
12-31-2012, 05:37 AM
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WHAT?!!!! You guys ratified a contract without any negotiated cost provisions for fences?! Well...you wanted it. Like I've said in other threads, that ship has sailed. Fence costs are a negotiated item. The JCBA has NO provision for the costs of fences.
I'm sure the company will give you a side letter if you whine enough...
I'm sure the company will give you a side letter if you whine enough...
12-31-2012, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
WHAT?!!!! You guys ratified a contract without any negotiated cost provisions for fences?! Well...you wanted it. Like I've said in other threads, that ship has sailed. Fence costs are a negotiated item. The JCBA has NO provision for the costs of fences.
I'm sure the company will give you a side letter if you whine enough...
I'm sure the company will give you a side letter if you whine enough...
12-31-2012, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Nelson
Aren't fences normally part of the SLI negotiations?
That being said, I hope there aren't any fences. Let's just get on with it, get the SLI arbitrated, and move forward together.
12-31-2012, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
WHAT?!!!! You guys ratified a contract without any negotiated cost provisions for fences?! Well...you wanted it. Like I've said in other threads, that ship has sailed. Fence costs are a negotiated item. The JCBA has NO provision for the costs of fences.
I'm sure the company will give you a side letter if you whine enough...
I'm sure the company will give you a side letter if you whine enough...
01-01-2013, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by workingforfree
I understand the emotion involved 
Let's stay on topic.
Anyone hear anything new?
Let's stay on topic.
Anyone hear anything new?
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