CanoePilot

It would be unfair to place a furlough above an active employee.

EWR73FO

Fairs' got nuthin to do with it.

LAX Pilot

A "fair" is where you get cotton candy.

Many of those furloughees have active service under their belts, and that is going to be taken into account. I would be shocked to see furloughees stapled to the bottom. Longevity HAS to be taken into account.

Plus we have a new merger policy, so this ISL should set some new precedents.

LAX Pilot

CAL had 24 767 aircraft. UAL had 32.

That will be the second tranche of seniority integration, like it was at DAL/NWA probably. So maybe 3 UAL pilots for 2 UAL pilots.

It really doesn't matter. When the list is done everyone will still be able to hold the same thing and their relative career expectations and longevity will be used. No one will be bumped out of their seats because of the other pilot group and there will ultimately be more opportunities for where to live and where to fly for everyone.

untied

It would be unfair to put a guy hired in 2008 in front of a guy hired in 1999.

Speedtape

SO we should see who was hired at Pan Am, Eastern, Braniff, TWA,
and get their DOH, and merge them first !!

If you're out of a job when the merger happens, you should go to the bottom, and be happy you weren't out of a job forever. As for longevity, 10+ years sitting at the bottom, holding NB FO does not equal 5 years of steady progression and ability to hold NB CA. Failing to take that into account results in a big windfall for the 1st guy,(which is what he's been hoping for all along)

But thats just my opinion, I could be wrong

DALMD88FO

As you can see I'm a Delta guy and don't have a dog in this hunt. What I will tell you from experience is that once it goes to arbitration all bets are off. Here are some short shots from the Delta/NWA merger:

1. It didn't matter that the majority of Delta aircraft paid more than NWA they just broke it down as widebody and narrowbody.

2. The did a stovepipe (which means they ordered the seniority list as to what you could actually hold so it didn't matter what seat you were actually in)

3. They merged the two lists (within a percent or 2 depending on where you sat on the list) so that ended up with about your same relative seniority.

4. They didn't care if you had a bunch of dinosaur aircraft that were approaching the end of their cycle life or if your seniority list had a huge number of guys retire early.

So basically they just looked at what type of seats you brought to the dance and merged them via a ratio by your size. We didn't have any furloughee's, however if we had they wouldn't have had a seat to merge into the list and as such would have been on the bottom.

The arbitrators didn't care about your date of hire as we had new hires (07) merged with 01 hires that had been furloughed.

Just remember you are now along for the ride since you signed off on the joint contract.

LeeMat

+1. Thank you!
There will still be those around here that will insist on having a heart attack over something that they nor their opinions will have anything influence over SLI.

johnso29

Both Delta & NWA had pilots who ended up senior to pilots whom were hired at their respective airline first. IOW, they ended up junior to guys hired after them.

johnso29

That's likely up to the arbitrator(s). Good luck defining "fair" with 12,000+ pilots.