Pay implementation
 

I've read the LOAs and spoken with intelligent people, but can't get a definitive answer: when do the new pay rates go into effect? For the previously furloughed (and everybody else, but stay with me) my understanding was that it would be immediate, that the LOA implementation was date-of-signing. Another opinion is that those of us brought onto the CAL side would go to the new new-hire rate immediately, and two bid periods later, a longevity rate. Regardless, the rate still shows what it did last month. I'm not trying to rehash a "see, I told ya so" flamefest, but does anyone know unequivocally?

Keep checking ccs mine changed yesterday, but I can not explain why it is what it is. It seems to me it is incorrect. It is my "formulated" united longevity number adjusted to 08 instead of 13. That being said my training partners was close but not exact and I can't explain why? If anyone knows who to contact to get this straightened out please let me know.

Someone onthe ual forum said they called 800-338-2739 and the payroll person corrected it on the spot. I believe the correct date for longevity is 5/6/08 for now.

I was 9/07 hire at UAL and my current rate in CCS shows 5th year blended rate of 113.80 and Step 4 for Longevity. As pointed out before, the longevity date listed on your pay register is probably wrong. They were all over the map with guys from my class. I think the correct date is 5/6/08 for the time being.

With the longevity change in the pay register the way it is...I think that will bump your advance on the 1st of the month to $3000 for the interim as they transition to the UAL system of paying a month in arrears.

When you check this out, make sure that you get paid your new rate EFFECTIVE AFTER NOV 30. The pay rates were effective for the FIRST bid period that the DOS occurred in.... hence, December will be paid in its entirety at the new rate. I'm not familiar if there is some sort of difference with the LOA for previously furloughed, so I'd check with someone in the union regarding that.

I'm assuming there will be QUITE a few payroll errors for awhile, so it would behoove us to all check our numbers.

In CCS, the longevity step shows as years completed with the pay rate being for the next year. As the example above, 4 years of completed longevity so you are in year 5 for pay.

And FYI, on the CAL side the first day of the December bid period was December 1st as December goes from 12/1-12/31 this year.

I verified my pay rates on my pay register in CCS yesterday. It took a few steps to get the system programmed it appears. First, my per diem was corrected. Then a couple hours later my large aircraft pay was corrected and then a few hours later my small aircraft pay was corrected. Verified all the block times and pay rates on the subsequent screens and all are correct going back to December 1st. Plus the new blended rate shows as well.

First day of the bid period in which the TA was ratified. Dec. 1, 2012

By chance did you happen to go down to Mexico this month? Wondering if you (or anyone) on the CAL side has seen the override show up. I did MEX last trip and again next, and wanted to make sure they have included the INTL pay. At UAL they have made it next to impossible to see what the heck you are getting paid for.

Thanks

Yes, my 30 wonderful hours in BJX (Leon, Meehico) earlier this week was indeed credited with the Intl override and perdiem. Enough to pay for Pepto, Cipro, and a Coke for the drive home.

Did you Cal guys notice the little Easter egg that says we have to pay back our advance next year? That's a $3000 dick sandwich. LOA 26, page 473, #50.

"You're going to like the changes"

Thanks very much for checking. I hear ya. I TRULY enjoyed my 30 hours in Mexico City, where it smelled like all 30 million people took a dump in the street at the same time.

Yes, I noticed it and knew this would happen as soon as we went to paying for work done instead of being advanced for work not yet performed.

Not really a d**k sandwich. You are going to be paid a portion in advance until the changeover and then you will be paid on the 1st for half your guarantee from the previous month...a month where you already got a portion paid. Essentially there would be a two week overlap of extra pay (to put it simply) that needs to be returned. They are opting to do it over a 6 month period according to the LOA vs taking it all out at once. You essentially pay back your advance now...all at once...in the middle of the next month.

Personally never liked getting paid in advance. Much prefer getting half my guarantee for the previous month on the 1st and then all the clean up from that previous month on the 16th.

The way CAL runs pay is just ahead, slightly, from an abacus. They couldn't get organized enough to actually pay for work done so they apparently just gave up and bought themselves two weeks each month to figure it out by using the advance system. I had a tough time getting my bank to understand this during a refi last year. It looked like my pay was being docked at every mid-month paycheck to pay back a company loan or alimony or court-ordered settlement or something. They also make us pay claim a lot of little things using an arcane DOS-based system that they can perfectly well figure out themselves which they know increases their bottom line at pilot expense because we don't have time, don't understand, or just give up. Like sending in a rebate. This is our money they withhold until we say we want it. Crazy. We earned it, figure it out and pay it. I don't really blame the pay folks as they're understaffed just like every other department at CAL. No one has time to effectively run anything, they just put out fires.

Where was I, oh yea, I agree with EWRflyr.

I'll be the first to admit the Cal pay system is still in the dark ages, and all things being equal I'd prefer the new method. But that doesn't change the fact that under this conversion plan, we each have to pay back one month's advance. For me, that is a $3000 loss in take home pay for calendar year 2013.

Pilot Golfer,

Yes, it appears the CCS dates are not what many expected. CAL Pay roll is now being overridden by some supervisor with dates provided by UAL. The UAL JNC was notified, and surprised to hear this. They are looking at this issue right now, and will get back to us soon.

SP

I did hear the same thing.... They might have got some bogus info... This Sunday I was told it should be corrected.... Trust but verify?...

How does one go about checking CCS (whatever that is) ???

Is this something I can find through skynet or unimatic ??

Thanks

Thanks. But as a Legacy United guy - I don't have access to that.

Guess I'll just have to do the math when the paycheck comes and trust them till it does.:(