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Ottolillienthal 02-25-2013 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by XHooker (Post 1359521)
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding how our retro formula worked. My understanding is half was based on income earned and half was based on the time flying on property. I don't see how a longevity element could possibly help those who were out only for themselves.

I don't know enough about the mil pilots cause to say yea or nay. If their cause is just, I hope they get it. However, there are valid reasons for the method of calculation of the retro. My bet is the lawyers will make money and anything recovered from CALALPA by the plaintiffs won't even cover the legal fees.


If you were on property earning a pay check do you need this 48 month look back at all? It essentially makes no difference to a guy who was here for 48 bid months working. He still gets paid, his w-2 earnings are likely fairly good, unless he didn't fly at all (reserve???). But, most of our reserves hump it, so maybe not....

Anyway, no need for a 48 month look back, unless you are specifically trying to exclude and penalize military and LTD pilots. Why else would you include it? Why did UAL not include it? The 48 month look back is an unnecessary complexity designed to penalize some; and of course if you penalize one group, you do give to another.

SoCalGuy 02-25-2013 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Ottolillienthal (Post 1360199)
Correct,
but the entire MEC has a "body" owns it. You, unfortunately have to lump the whole MEC together, because the whole MEC owns the outcome.

How in Gods holy name did the entire MEC not see this coming? How did four guys, who I don't think are very smart in the first place get this right, and the entire rest of the MEC and the NC get it wrong? How did the ALPA legal advisors get this wrong? Did they not go to law school?

FWIW......
Speaking personally with the former L-CAL Military Rep regarding the Law Suit, the retained council pursuing the issue at hand "may" name those specific MEC member's who supported/voted for "look-back" method of distribution in any future filing. Should be interesting if this takes traction.

Either way, I'm sure we'll be hearing something soon since the next rumored payment is supposed to be coming soon at the beginning of March.....Further delay??

Stay tuned.

Ottolillienthal 02-26-2013 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1360215)
FWIW......
Speaking personally with the former L-CAL Military Rep regarding the Law Suit, the retained council pursuing the issue at hand "may" name those specific MEC member's who supported/voted for "look-back" method of distribution in any future filing. Should be interesting if this takes traction.

Either way, I'm sure we'll be hearing something soon since the next rumored payment is supposed to be coming soon at the beginning of March.....Further delay??

Stay tuned.

That may be the only way those guys will get paid. You would likely have to sue people individually so their representative insurance would cover the losses. Each rep has a 100K "malpractice" insurance type policy for these types of instances.

Not sure why the CAL MEC even has a military laison committee. They never listen to their advice/input. Just a way to stroke the military guys and let them feel like they have a voice and an input into the process, when in reality they are just ignored. Your dues money going to waste. Now more dues money going to waste.


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