Guam Commute/International Jumpseat
01-24-2013, 03:52 AM
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Guam Commute/International Jumpseat
Hey everyone! Sorry to bother you.. I was just curious if it is possible to commute from ORD to GUM.. And what are the United international jumpseat policies for online United pilots? Do jumpseaters get access to the crew rest areas? Is it easy to reserve a jumpseat? Thanks so much! Have a great weekend 
01-24-2013, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by colead3
Hey everyone! Sorry to bother you.. I was just curious if it is possible to commute from ORD to GUM.. And what are the United international jumpseat policies for online United pilots? Do jumpseaters get access to the crew rest areas? Is it easy to reserve a jumpseat? Thanks so much! Have a great weekend
- International cockpit jumpseating is permitted (but remember that GUM is a U.S. territory anyway)
- The availability of crew rest areas is determined by the staffing of the flight and the generosity of the working crew. Obviously the working crew gets whatever setup they want and the JS works around their needs.
- No such thing as reserving a jumpseat at UAL--it's seniority based
-IMHO, with the new $3k/mo. GUM override you won't have to worry about being junior manned into GUM, particularly with only ~17 FO vacancies in the new S-CAL system bid. Meanwhile, the HNL-GUM commute will become the new "hot" ticket and that's even a several hour flight. Did I mention the new contract gives GUM pilots a $3k/mo override?
-IMHO, commuting ORD-GUM as a new hire is the definition of insanity since you would be commuting halfway around the globe to RSV or a junior line. The great circle distance of ORD-GUM is just about 3X JFK-LAX but there's not any ORD-GUM non-stops. It's pretty difficult to get fired as a probationary pilot as long as you have a good attitude, but missing trips or being constantly fatigued because of a really stupid multiple-leg commute would do the trick.
- The availability of crew rest areas is determined by the staffing of the flight and the generosity of the working crew. Obviously the working crew gets whatever setup they want and the JS works around their needs.
- No such thing as reserving a jumpseat at UAL--it's seniority based
-IMHO, with the new $3k/mo. GUM override you won't have to worry about being junior manned into GUM, particularly with only ~17 FO vacancies in the new S-CAL system bid. Meanwhile, the HNL-GUM commute will become the new "hot" ticket and that's even a several hour flight. Did I mention the new contract gives GUM pilots a $3k/mo override?
-IMHO, commuting ORD-GUM as a new hire is the definition of insanity since you would be commuting halfway around the globe to RSV or a junior line. The great circle distance of ORD-GUM is just about 3X JFK-LAX but there's not any ORD-GUM non-stops. It's pretty difficult to get fired as a probationary pilot as long as you have a good attitude, but missing trips or being constantly fatigued because of a really stupid multiple-leg commute would do the trick.
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01-24-2013, 07:15 AM
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I do it and it works fine out of ORD. DAL is an alternate out of DTW if you are close and they have flights out of NRT-GUM as well. Jumpseat all the way. 2-3 weeks in a row off usually, nice having all the days off together.
The commuter policy does help if things get in a pinch but I have not had a problem at all...and yes you are a little jet lagged for a day or so either side so you want to plan accordingly.
The commuter policy does help if things get in a pinch but I have not had a problem at all...and yes you are a little jet lagged for a day or so either side so you want to plan accordingly.
01-24-2013, 09:53 AM
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good info cadetdrvr.
Just to verify, CAL guys can ride IN the jumpseat (if the cabin is full) on int'l UAL flights now? And UAL guys on CAL int'l flights? As of a few months ago, there was still some question about whether you needed a cabin seat if on the other legacy carrier's int'l flight.
Also, have you heard if the new (to CAL) language that prevents the station from bumping off a cockpit jumpseat rider on a weight restricted flight is being enforced? I think most of the int'l stations on L-UAL are aware that they can't leave a jumpseat rider behind because the flight is weight restricted but since the policy is new for L-CAL, I'm wondering if the station people are aware of it yet. I was thinking of jumpseating to BOM and I hear all the flights out of there are weight restricted.
Thanks
Just to verify, CAL guys can ride IN the jumpseat (if the cabin is full) on int'l UAL flights now? And UAL guys on CAL int'l flights? As of a few months ago, there was still some question about whether you needed a cabin seat if on the other legacy carrier's int'l flight.
Also, have you heard if the new (to CAL) language that prevents the station from bumping off a cockpit jumpseat rider on a weight restricted flight is being enforced? I think most of the int'l stations on L-UAL are aware that they can't leave a jumpseat rider behind because the flight is weight restricted but since the policy is new for L-CAL, I'm wondering if the station people are aware of it yet. I was thinking of jumpseating to BOM and I hear all the flights out of there are weight restricted.
Thanks
01-24-2013, 11:49 AM
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Good questions, nopac6.
I have not jump seated internationally in a while so I'm not sure where we are with the whole online/offline situation with CAL vs. UAL (and vise versa) for international travel and authority.
In regard to jumpseat availability of weight restricted flights, the language is in the new contract:
I have not jump seated internationally in a while so I'm not sure where we are with the whole online/offline situation with CAL vs. UAL (and vise versa) for international travel and authority.
In regard to jumpseat availability of weight restricted flights, the language is in the new contract:
21-J-4 A United Airlines Pilot shall be allowed to travel on jumpseat authority and occupy the cockpit jumpseat(s) on a weight restricted flight.
This mirrors the old L-UAL contract and I don't know what, if anything, the company has done to educate S-CAL agents in reference to the new pilot agreement.
01-24-2013, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
ORD-NRT is soon downgrading from Whale to 777 so out go a whole lot of seats there.
01-24-2013, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by contrail67
They did that 2 weeks ago and it is a marketing thing...ya know, seasonal?...still 40 plus seats open on it. That happens this time of year.
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01-27-2013, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JMD16
The commute isn't great but you can bid to work two 18 day reserve months back to back. Commute home for your 24 days off. Repeat as required.
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