$640M 4Q UAL loss - profit sharing?
01-24-2013, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jetlink
so far 650 out of 1400+ UAL furlough pilots in CAL side...
each UAL furlough has been offered a job twice, CAL is running out of UAL furloughed interested pilots and has to hire off the street. 412 retirements scheduled in 2013, and additional 500 needed now to fulfill requirement for TA work rules, and 2014 FAR changes.
What else a prospective new hire pilot should wait for?
I know arithmetic is not the strongest for some, but in this case I think it does not lie.
Scheduled retirements for next 10 years - over 4700 pilots...
each UAL furlough has been offered a job twice, CAL is running out of UAL furloughed interested pilots and has to hire off the street. 412 retirements scheduled in 2013, and additional 500 needed now to fulfill requirement for TA work rules, and 2014 FAR changes.
What else a prospective new hire pilot should wait for?
I know arithmetic is not the strongest for some, but in this case I think it does not lie.
Scheduled retirements for next 10 years - over 4700 pilots...
I wasn't aware that the company had made the "official" second offer on taking a job on the LCAL side.
I decided to come back last Oct. Hadn't received the second offer which would have put me in a situation where I either accept or lose the option. All it took in Oct was an email/phone call to CV and I was in class in 2 weeks.
I remember CV saying that they were avoiding the "official" second offer to prevent putting guys into that position of accept/decline hoping that more would consider taking the offer after the JCBA.
Anyway, at 650, I think the number of potential takers is dwindling. Of course, the remaining pilots do have the recall option whenever that is offered.
Frats,
Lee
01-24-2013, 10:24 AM
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Being offered a job at CAL under the TP&A, is not the same as being recalled. There have been zero recalls of United furloughees.
I would imagine that many furloughees still on the sideline are waiting to see the results of the SLI before they make the decision of when/if to come back. After the SLI UAL furloughees have the right to return 10 years from date of furlough regardless of what CV offers.
I would imagine that many furloughees still on the sideline are waiting to see the results of the SLI before they make the decision of when/if to come back. After the SLI UAL furloughees have the right to return 10 years from date of furlough regardless of what CV offers.
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01-24-2013, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HSLD
$723 million loss for the year, $640 million loss in the 4th quarter alone - now with job cuts.
United layoffs: United Continental to lay off 600 workers amid weak earnings - chicagotribune.com
Some UAL pilots have been on furlough for going on 10 years and are still on the street. I'm shocked that anyone would consider applying here until the company actually showed some stability.
SJS is alive and well.
United layoffs: United Continental to lay off 600 workers amid weak earnings - chicagotribune.com
Some UAL pilots have been on furlough for going on 10 years and are still on the street. I'm shocked that anyone would consider applying here until the company actually showed some stability.
SJS is alive and well.
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01-24-2013, 03:39 PM
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01-24-2013, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG
jetlink,
I wasn't aware that the company had made the "official" second offer on taking a job on the LCAL side.
I decided to come back last Oct. Hadn't received the second offer which would have put me in a situation where I either accept or lose the option. All it took in Oct was an email/phone call to CV and I was in class in 2 weeks.
I remember CV saying that they were avoiding the "official" second offer to prevent putting guys into that position of accept/decline hoping that more would consider taking the offer after the JCBA.
Anyway, at 650, I think the number of potential takers is dwindling. Of course, the remaining pilots do have the recall option whenever that is offered.
Frats,
Lee
I wasn't aware that the company had made the "official" second offer on taking a job on the LCAL side.
I decided to come back last Oct. Hadn't received the second offer which would have put me in a situation where I either accept or lose the option. All it took in Oct was an email/phone call to CV and I was in class in 2 weeks.
I remember CV saying that they were avoiding the "official" second offer to prevent putting guys into that position of accept/decline hoping that more would consider taking the offer after the JCBA.
Anyway, at 650, I think the number of potential takers is dwindling. Of course, the remaining pilots do have the recall option whenever that is offered.
Frats,
Lee
01-24-2013, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HSLD
$723 million loss for the year, $640 million loss in the 4th quarter alone - now with job cuts.
United layoffs: United Continental to lay off 600 workers amid weak earnings - chicagotribune.com
Some UAL pilots have been on furlough for going on 10 years and are still on the street. I'm shocked that anyone would consider applying here until the company actually showed some stability.
SJS is alive and well.
United layoffs: United Continental to lay off 600 workers amid weak earnings - chicagotribune.com
Some UAL pilots have been on furlough for going on 10 years and are still on the street. I'm shocked that anyone would consider applying here until the company actually showed some stability.
SJS is alive and well.
01-24-2013, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jetlink
We were told (CV) that he made two attempts to offer position with CAL to all UAL pilots, and now needs to hire off the street to fulfill vacancies. Either way, any furloughed pilot from UAL is protected under CBA of L-UAL and new TA up to 10 years as long as classes are available. There is no official recall on L-UAL side as of yet, all pilots are new hire on L-CAL till SLI.
01-24-2013, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
But they will "splain" their way right out of those weeds.
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