Originally Posted by Staller (Post 1411838)

Short answer is YES! The success of the SW pilots is due to SW management's labor relations policies. The rest of the stuff you speak is a management function and the SW pilots just flew the airplanes - they did what we all did but had better management with a vision. You had either Jeff or Tilton leading you to the promise land and their vision didn't include your success in the process - just expensive labor. Sorry, just the way it is around here - you are labor!

Originally Posted by CousinEddie (Post 1411844)

That vision you speak of is called a business plan. One that ensured that they could operate between any markets at a profit at fares that led to red ink for the higher cost competition. If SWA pilots had just flown airplanes without an understanding of the business plan, they would have demanded a Legacy style contract long ago: a pension plan, 78 hours of pay for 40 hours of flight time for the month, and on and on.

Originally Posted by CousinEddie (Post 1411844)

That vision you speak of is called a business plan. One that ensured that they could operate between any markets at a profit at fares that led to red ink for the higher cost competition. If SWA pilots had just flown airplanes without an understanding of the business plan, they would have demanded a Legacy style contract long ago: a pension plan, 78 hours of pay for 40 hours of flight time for the month, and on and on.

Originally Posted by Staller (Post 1411855)

Ok - I'll let you win - the SW pilots are good managers and taught Herb a few things. When are you quiting the "new united" to go work for SW. I'm sure they are waiting for your input. Keep in mind you'll just be a tool in another box - no more!

Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA (Post 1411856)

Unlike many of us legacy guys sitting around singing "Glory Days" as you say and telling the world with a couple of thumps to the chest that they're going to "take it back." Of course, not realizing in the remotest sense that the competitive business model has changed dramatically as your chart readily indicates.

I liken it to evolution...either adapt to the changing business environment and live...or go extinct.

You reason and write well.

Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA (Post 1411856)

Unlike many of us legacy guys sitting around singing "Glory Days" as you say and telling the world with a couple of thumps to the chest that they're going to "take it back." Of course, not realizing in the remotest sense that the competitive business model has changed dramatically as your chart readily indicates.

I liken it to evolution...either adapt to the changing business environment and live...or go extinct.

You reason and write well.