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Old 05-21-2013, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Moombabeach View Post
There's no pilots on furlough except voluntary furlough, and some markets won't support a 737, if they would profitably support a 737 our management would plug one in one a heartbeat. It about profitability. The market changes, we adapt, we have a scope policy. A lot of the 70 flying feed OUR 777 757 787 767 flying. It's done, adapt!!!
I understand and agree, except for the fact that our flying is being done by someone else (outsourced). Why can't we fly our own planes of any size? Now that we have a "large RJ B-scale" voted in, I don't want to fly them, but we should.

Adapt? To what? The regional flying thats been going on for decades? OK, I'll try. There is a lot of regional flying that is just flying, no feeding. Many of these routes are major routes. Why does Delta fly big airplanes between Atlanta and NYC and we fly RJ's?
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there's no pilots on furlough except voluntary furlough,
news flash^^^^^ bs^^^^^^.
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Old 05-23-2013, 04:13 AM
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Great, I'm glad to hear my furlough is over. I must have missed the recall letter.
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:41 AM
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news flash^^^^^ bs^^^^^^.

Serious question...how does it work that they are hiring off the street? I thought they had to offer recalls to everybody first?
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:58 AM
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Serious question...how does it work that they are hiring off the street? I thought they had to offer recalls to everybody first?
Until there is a combine list, the operations ( UAL and CAL ) are separate. UAL has only officially recalled 342 (???)pilots.
All furloughees were offered job opportunities at CAL, not all accepted, hence the new hires on the CAL side.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Moombabeach View Post
There's no pilots on furlough except voluntary furlough, and some markets won't support a 737, if they would profitably support a 737 our management would plug one in one a heartbeat. It about profitability. The market changes, we adapt, we have a scope policy. A lot of the 70 flying feed OUR 777 757 787 767 flying. It's done, adapt!!!
It's disturbingly impressive to think there are folks out there who have the audacity to post on a thread who have no concept of the realities of the situation. I have not been recalled by United. I did however get offered a "new hire" LCAL guppy job.... I'm still waiting on my recall. Thanks for being so current on the situation.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:12 AM
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Great, I'm glad to hear my furlough is over. I must have missed the recall letter.
I must have missed mine as well. FedEx must have lost it.

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It's disturbingly impressive to think there are folks out there who have the audacity to post on a thread who have no concept of the realities of the situation. I have not been recalled by United. I did however get offered a "new hire" LCAL guppy job.... I'm still waiting on my recall. Thanks for being so current on the situation.
Hopefully the list will be done soon as I am accepting the "new hire" offer in August.
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Serious question...how does it work that they are hiring off the street? I thought they had to offer recalls to everybody first?
And just to expand what Lee said, after the SLI all furloughees will be offered recall before hiring resumes. But they do not have to come back. They have 10 years of recall rights, and can bypass until those rights run out. So hiring could resume promptly depending on the SLI award. The bypass rate for the first 342 has been incredible. They got roughly 1 for 6 of actual butts in seats.
52 accepted. 52 accepted but went on immediate mil leave. 235 bypassed. a few retired.

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Old 05-24-2013, 06:43 AM
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And just to expand what Lee said, after the SLI all furloughees will be offered recall before hiring resumes. But they do not have to come back. They have 10 years of recall rights, and can bypass until those rights run out. So hiring could resume promptly depending on the SLI award. The bypass rate for the first 300+ has been incredible. I believe they got roughly 1 for 5 of actual butts in seats. The rest bypassed or accepted and went on mil leave.

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Sled...Hadnt heard before ...hiring resumes. What ive heard is that both recalls and hiring off the street will continue, to meet future requirements, retirements, FAR changes . Post SLI, do you know how many pilots will still have recall rights( minus guys on L-Cal and the L -UA side).

BTW...can't wait for this SLI process, to complete, so we can move forward as one group!
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Sled...Hadnt heard before ...hiring resumes. What ive heard is that both recalls and hiring off the street will continue, to meet future requirements, retirements, FAR changes . Post SLI, do you know how many pilots will still have recall rights( minus guys on L-Cal and the L -UA side).

BTW...can't wait for this SLI process, to complete, so we can move forward as one group!
I'm no contract expert, but at some point after the SLI, all furloughees will have to be offered recall before street hiring is allowed. There are 1092 still on furlough, although a chunk of them are flying at CAL, as are 106 of the 235 that bypassed recently. Not sure how that works, but I ASSume that after SLI and CMS, furloughed UAL pilots that were working at CAL will have "accepted" recall since they are working for the "united" United. So that leaves roughly ~800 pilots that will need to be offered recall before hiring resumes. If i'm wrong, i'm sure somebody will correct me.

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