horrido27

It will be interesting to see what actually happens after SLI.
It was my understanding that Furloughed UAL pilots would be recalled as positions become available.

Now, we know that there are going to be positions available! Question is, do they totally stop hiring or do they continue to interview and start a pool of off the street newhires so they can keep classes full?

I see the scenario were they keep the pool small but filled with bodies who can show up to class with (maybe) less than two weeks notice.
As JSled mentioned, the LUAL Furloughs have to be recalled. But it will be interesting to see how long it takes them to go through the whole list.

If they send out recall letters to 200 pilots at a time, and less than 100 take the offer.. it's easy to see a situation where you have slots in classes available yet because they didn't offer the next 200 furloughees a recall, you don't fill up the class. That could have a negative affect with regards to manpower planning going forward.

Motch

horrido27

One thing is for sure.. and this does need to be brought up to every new hire-
Once the SLI is done, you will stagnate in your seat and base for the time being. I would guess at least a year.. and maybe two.

It will be interesting!

Motch

PS> Either way, good luck and welcome on board~ Hope to see some of you guys in EWR on the 756!

But, good news is that you got your number on the list.

LAX Pilot

I can't see it taking a year. At the present rate of about 20% of the guys coming back, its going to take 300 recalls per month to get 60 guys in class.

Maybe 6 months to go through everybody. Also since there are 10 years of bypass rights, people may wait until they can hold better equipment, so off the street could happen even earlier.

Regularguy

I believe what many don't understand is the furloughees will return to the seat their seniority can hold when the ISL is complete. Right now their only options are returning to sUAL or a "new hire" at sCAL. The ones who are holding out want to wait and spend their seniority appropriately.

Who knows maybe some will return to B737 Captain?

SpecialTracking

horrido27

So, it's my understanding (and correct me if I'm wrong {lol, like it's not gonna happen!}) that the Vol Fur are allowed to come back as soon as recalls at LUAL begin.
In which case, at this point ALL the Vol Fur have the right to come back to their previous positions at LUAL?

There are 216 Vol Furloughs... how many are flying on the LCAL Side? Those guys (and gals) are on property and aren't an issue. The remaining can come back to the LUAL side any time, right?

So that leaves 1229 InVol Furloughs. Again, how many are at LCAL?
Between those two groups, I was under the impression that it was close to 400 pilots.

So based on the 1/3 to 1/2 return rate, it would seem that 200-300 LUAL pilots will come back during this recall process.

But as far as when and where? I was under the impression that once we are combined, they will be recalled as vacancies become avail.
I bring this point up as, the senior invol furlough (JM) is slotted (on the LUAL Proposal) to be between two LCAL pilots who are 756 Line Holder FO's who could hold 777/787 FO.

It would seem, that after SLI, the only recalls that need to go out is to the LUAL pilots who are not currently flying on the LCAL side of the house. Cause, once we have a list.. those LCAL/LUAL pilots are already on the list and active!

Are you suggesting that she (JM) will only be recalled when there's an opening on the 756/777 staffing? Or will she be recalled as soon as the SLI is done, even if it's into a 737/A320 position?

Besides the problem of SLI (for the Arbitrators and the two Merger Committees), there's the issue of how you staff after the list.

I still think you'll see a pool of NewHires that the company can call on to fill empty class slots with minimum notice.
From a training standpoint, it's gonna be a madhouse and I don't see either training centers slowing down any time soon.

Interesting times~
Motch

horrido27

6 months seems a bit quick but you may be right.. again, depends on how many pilots we're talking about. I think the recall list is going to be about 800 pilots. If they send out 100 letters a month and get 30-50 a month, that still means 8 months and also off the street hires.

Hopefully, by next summer every LUAL Furlough has been offered a recall, and pilots can start bidding and moving around to where they want to be. Still think it's gonna be 2015 till everything settles down.
I would think that by May 2015, we will have seen at least 1000 pilots retire.. Between scheduled age 65 retirements and LOA 19 offers, there should be good movement.

Regularguy

I'm probably wrong but the way I understand the recall is in two parts:

1. Pre-ISL recalled to sUAL openings
2. Post=ISL recalled to any UAL openings allowed by ISL and any fences.
3. New hires pre-ISL to sCAL openings turned down by sUAL recalls.
4. New Hires post-ISL to any unfilled vacancies (allowed by contract or LOA, normally in past wide bodies offered again in new bid) not filled by recalls.
5. Recalled pilots have immediate opportunity to bid seniority after recall.

Confusing, but in the past recalled pilots were not frozen and got to bid their seniority.

Time will tell.

Regularguy

" Still think it's gonna be 2015 till everything settles down."

I've been here for 35+ years what makes you think things will "settle down?"

horrido27

Yeah... therein lies the problem in that in the past, furloughed (non Vols) were recalled to the bottom of the list and they knew they were going to a narrowbody (probably) right seat.

Depending on the SLI, what happens if someone gets slotted into a position that would allow them to hold 787 FO?
The other snake on the plane is that there is gonna be alot of airplane/base movements.
All of a sudden they put the some 78's in EWR and 74's back in IAD.. that is gonna cause alot of movement. Along with the potential 73 base if SFO.

I would think 73's might be in every base and the junior airplane so it will be easy if you want to be a 73 FO/Capt. Everything else is gonna be a crap shoot!

Motch

PS> 10 year recall rights will be pretty good for all the military guys and gals, along with anyone doing a foreign flying gig and wanting to wait till the last second to come back~
Seems like a win for them. Every now and then someone gets a lucky break. (with regards to the 10 year recall rights.. not the furlough!)

PPS> Does the 10 yr recall rights also apply to the Vol Fur? I would assume that it should.