787 8 day
 

The following "seems" like a very definitive statement: 5-E-4-c During Monthly Schedule Preferencing, each Lineholder shall be scheduled for a minimum one (1) day off at his Base in each seven (7) day period. . Can anyone explain how they can schedule an 8 day.

Good question. FWIW, LOA 26 of the UPA says:
So it should be in effect now, shouldn't it?

"Union" guy said it was written "somewhere" we could do it on a "global" flight. Anyone know where?

The language you quoted is not intended to restrict trip length, but is written in regards to time off between trips. The rep was talking without knowing. An 8 day domestic trip would also be legal.

Again the first sentence "seems" pretty damn definitive..so why specify 1 day off in 7 instead of just one day off between trips?!? So what happens if i have a 14 day trip?

"The language you quoted is not intended to restrict trip length".

Whether it was intended to or not I think it DOES!

5-E-12 Trip Limitations
5-E-12-a A Basic Trip shall not be scheduled for more than four (4) Duty Periods.
5-E-12-b A Trip that includes a Flight between the United States or Canada and any point in Europe may not be scheduled for more than six (6) Duty Periods and shall not contain more than four (4) such Flights.


FAQ > Section 5 - Hours of Service > My question is about Section 5-E-12-b. Why no mention of Asia? Can China or Japan trips be 8 or 10 days long? Thanks.



Yes they can, similar to current UA book which has no restrictions on that. Similarly, until recently CAL was flying an 8-day trip out of IAH.

Go ahead and file a lawsuit. That's the pilot way. You will lose the lawsuit and all the money you put into it.

What is it you want from posting on a forum? I think it sucks, and personally I wouldn't bid the 787 until 8 day trips are eliminated or until I have enough seniority to avoid them.

If you are unhappy with an 8 day trip than tell your ALPA reps and call in fatigued as soon as jet lag begins to affect your circadian rhythm.

I'll trade our 25 747-400s for their 5 Sparkys any day. By the time we get to 25 of the Sparky they will be open for everyone and the 747 fences will still be in place for 2 or 3 years.

This has been discussed on CALForums a bit. I brought it up and everything mentioned here was discussed there too.

The only saving grace with these 8 day trips (for now) is that there are deadheads on many of them.. front and back end.. which could (potentially) make them 6 or 7 day trips.
Also, with pay credit ranging from mid to high 40's, it works out to a pay credit average around 6 hours per day. Pretty good.

I can see commuters loving them, and locals hating them.
For me, living out of a suitcase for 8 days is a long time!
But each his own.
Hopefully in the years to come when they figure out the basing and fleet distribution, these type of trips will go away.

Wouldn't it be great if (someday) PBS actually built schedules based on actually flights, not pairings.
One guy could build himself a 8 day "pairing" while another guy could build himself a couple of 4 day "pairings".. That is truly how PBS should work~

Anyway.. Sept will open up a whole new can of PBS worms as PBS finally looks at pay credit instead of block hours.

Motch