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Old 08-14-2013, 01:48 PM
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Heard some rumors coming out of LAX, SYD and DENTK about -400 flying.

1. The company looked at EWR for a -400 base but found the current airport facilities couldn't handle the -400 very well, so that idea was canned. The ORD-HKG flying is a disaster with the 777-200 (too many weight restrictions) so to try to save face they are looking for a base to do "W" flying of the -400 to ORD and then a HKG turn.

2. Pilots, FAs, PAs and MECHs coming out of SYD are saying the 777s of CAL will start the LAC-SYD turn in the spring. Added onto that is the rumor LAX -400 will pick up the ORD-HKG flying instead.

3. Important to note nothing will happen until the ISL is complete and to see if the current sUAL pilots can flying the sCAL 777 to SYD in the spring. Any freezes or fences will effect these rumors.

Too bad this MGT won't just admit their ORD -400 move was a mistake and just put the base back there. I guess saving face is more important.
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That's LAX-SYD, not LAC-SYD.
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I'd be surprised if they replaced LAX-SYD flight with a 777-200 since the -400 practically flies year round with a full load and lots of profitable cargo.
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Heard some rumors coming out of LAX, SYD and DENTK about -400 flying.

1. The company looked at EWR for a -400 base but found the current airport facilities couldn't handle the -400 very well, so that idea was canned. The ORD-HKG flying is a disaster with the 777-200 (too many weight restrictions) so to try to save face they are looking for a base to do "W" flying of the -400 to ORD and then a HKG turn.

2. Pilots, FAs, PAs and MECHs coming out of SYD are saying the 777s of CAL will start the LAC-SYD turn in the spring. Added onto that is the rumor LAX -400 will pick up the ORD-HKG flying instead.

3. Important to note nothing will happen until the ISL is complete and to see if the current sUAL pilots can flying the sCAL 777 to SYD in the spring. Any freezes or fences will effect these rumors.

Too bad this MGT won't just admit their ORD -400 move was a mistake and just put the base back there. I guess saving face is more important.

I am not positive but think you will see the 400 back at ord, even though they will not admit any mistake, I think we all know that.
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If management won't pay for the means needed for upkeep of the whale in ORD, why bring it back? FWIW, trying to non rev ORD-NRT is now impossible. Good thing ANA is starting second daily nonstop.
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How about an order for 10 747-8's? I bet we could arrange early delivery dates from Boeing to fly ORD-HKG, SFO-SYD, and LAX-SYD.
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How about an order for 10 747-8's? I bet we could arrange early delivery dates from Boeing to fly ORD-HKG, SFO-SYD, and LAX-SYD.
What?!?!? You are seriously suggesting flying nonstop with full pax and full cargo at the same time and with a smaller per-seat fuel burn?

That's crazy talk to the folks inside Willis Tower.

(You know, the ones that took the 400 out of ORD and thought a 757 was a fine aircraft for CDG-IAD.)
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Originally Posted by FLowpayFO View Post
I'd be surprised if they replaced LAX-SYD flight with a 777-200 since the -400 practically flies year round with a full load and lots of profitable cargo.

Yeah and I can't believe all the airlines in the world are dumping the -400, it's such an awesome money maker...why would they do that?
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^ And some of those same airliners are purchasing 747-8's and A380's.
There will always be a certain market for a 4 engine Ultra Long Haul aircraft.
I was hoping that we (the New United) would order a dozen of the new -8's once this merger got moving. Hell, it's the biggest Boeing that there is, we are close to Boeing and what better than to have their Biggest being flown by our (US of A) biggest Airline.
Of course, we are no longer the biggest, and we don't have vision looking forward~

Maybe with new management will come a team that evaluates aircraft and routes and is able to see where a plane like the 747 (400 or -8) makes sense.
Till then, business as usual. Cancelled flights, pax and/or cargo left behind, dissatisfied passengers when compared to our competitors.

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PS> To make money, you have to invest money. Either invest it in updating the aircraft we have, or buy new aircraft~
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Kilder,

Refer to post #7.
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