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reCALcitrant 08-24-2013 05:25 AM

Only 1 more week to sling "this" dung. After that hopefully we can target the proper enemy a little better.

SENIORITY LIST UPDATE
The CAL and UAL MECs have received word from the arbitrators that they are on track to complete the Integrated Seniority List (ISL) in approximately one week. While there can be no guarantees that the ISL will be complete within seven days, the CAL and UAL MECs are making preparations to be in session late next week in the event that the ISL is received from the arbitrators. We will keep you informed should we receive further word.

SpecialTracking 08-24-2013 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by reCALcitrant (Post 1469096)
Only 1 more week to sling "this" dung. After that hopefully we can target the proper enemy a little better.


I agree. Someone might want to let the current Ewr vice chair in on this notion.

Airhoss 08-24-2013 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1469119)
I agree. Someone might want to let the current Ewr vice chair in on this notion.

Sorry for the ignorance but what's his deal?

SpecialTracking 08-24-2013 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1469174)
Sorry for the ignorance but what's his deal?

Allegedly had the lual furloughees at flying at cal removed from a recent lec meeting.

Carolsdanger 08-24-2013 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1469201)
Allegedly had the lual furloughees at flying at cal removed from a recent lec meeting.


CAL version of UNITY. This is one reason we need to make sure these bums don't get re-elected or appointed to any ALPA position going forward.

What is the name of this fine CAL LEC vice-chairman?

SpecialTracking 08-24-2013 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Carolsdanger (Post 1469220)
CAL version of UNITY. This is one reason we need to make sure these bums don't get re-elected or appointed to any ALPA position going forward.

What is the name of this fine CAL LEC vice-chairman?

Abe Froman

SoCalGuy 08-24-2013 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1469201)
Allegedly had the lual furloughees at flying at cal removed from a recent lec meeting.

I had not heard about that.....What Council was it??

Was the individual(s) being "disruptive", not following "Robert's Rules", "Obstructive", Not in "good Union standing", ect......What was the reason for them being "asked" to leave??

I don't care who you are (Legacy 'whoever'), if an individual(s) is displaying/acting in such an obstructive manner, I would expect the situation to be rectified. If that means having those displaying such behavior/standing being asked to comply with the bounds/rules of an official LEC meeting, or leave, so be it.

I would like to hear some of the actual surrounding facts of the allegations above.

Thanks for bringing that up.

Carolsdanger 08-24-2013 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1469230)
Abe Froman

Thanks! I ask Ben Salley if he'd like to speak to this action. I don't recall any group ever being removed from a UAL LEC meeting except maybe MIA when PW was LEC chair down there.

LAX Pilot 08-24-2013 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1469235)
I had not heard about that.....What Council was it??

Was the individual(s) being "disruptive", not following "Robert's Rules", "Obstructive", Not in "good Union standing", ect......What was the reason for them being "asked" to leave??

I don't care who you are (Legacy 'whoever'), if an individual(s) is displaying/acting in such an obstructive manner, I would expect the situation to be rectified. If that means having those displaying such behavior/standing being asked to comply with the bounds/rules of an official LEC meeting, or leave, so be it.

I would like to hear some of the actual surrounding facts of the allegations above.

Thanks for bringing that up.

Apparently someone asked what happens if the ISL looks more like the UAL list does the CAL side have any recourse, so they asked the L-UAL guys to leave so they could discuss it without them.

And also apparently they left without making a big deal.

The funny thing is I'm sure there are ex-scabs who were let back into ALPA when it reformed who were allowed to stay and listen.

So I guess at CAL the unions only represent some of the pilots and not all of them.

You gotta wonder about a union that lets scabs stay in the meeting and throws out pilots who not only never crossed a picket line, AND who have been through a furlough.

SoCalGuy 08-24-2013 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1469259)
Apparently someone asked what happens if the ISL looks more like the UAL list does the CAL side have any recourse, so they asked the L-UAL guys to leave so they could discuss it without them.

And also apparently they left without making a big deal.

The funny thing is I'm sure there are ex-scabs who were let back into ALPA when it reformed who were allowed to stay and listen.

So I guess at CAL the unions only represent some of the pilots and not all of them.

You gotta wonder about a union that lets scabs stay in the meeting and throws out pilots who not only never crossed a picket line, AND who have been through a furlough.

Interesting.......

Saw this from Ben on anther thread. May want to converse with the V/C (or S/T) directly to see if he'd put a "brief" in writing since the above said actions would have to be held w/in the minutes of an official LEC meeting.

It would be a nice litmus test to see if "one" get's a returned phone call.....Rumor has it that some within the current Council are not too good at returning phone requests, even for those who they directly represent.....just saying.


Originally Posted by A320fumes (Post 1469258)
Not my council, so I won't speak to it. Contact Rob Slovitski, NYC Vice-Chair.

I will say that procedurally, in IAH, we always request a motion from the floor to admit non-iah members, usually for wives or members from other councils. We've always gotten that motion, and NO IAH Pilot (LUAL included) have ever objected to admitting and wife, child, LCAL or LUAL member.

That's is how we handle it in IAH.

Over-and Out.

-Ben



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