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CALFO 09-07-2013 07:32 AM

7 stages of grief
 
Ok, typically there are seven stages of grief following a loss and it takes time to make it through all seven successfully. Many pilots on both sides of the fence (including me) are coming to terms. We have all read the testimony and the decision, but that doesn't make it any easier when a pilot is looking at a major change of lifestyle. However, that's life. God knows that most of the ual pilots know this lesson all too well.

Here's my proposal to sunvox and company: be quiet for now, let everyone cope. As has been mentioned countless times, this is done and we all need to move on. Let everyone do it on their own time and if you feel compelled to buy the other side a beer, then just make sure you talk about cars, woman, guns, whatever and don't feel that the price of a beer is a ticket to preach.

And finally, whatever games either legacy mec attempts to play in the coming weeks (jump seat, fences, etc), let's all remember that as of three days ago we are one team and let's spend our energy building unity not pointing fingers.

Tailwind6 09-07-2013 07:36 AM

I think this might help...Perspective from a wise man.

Kubler-Ross' Phases of Grief - YouTube

gettinbumped 09-07-2013 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1479285)
Ok, typically there are seven stages of grief following a loss and it takes time to make it through all seven successfully. Many pilots on both sides of the fence (including me) are coming to terms. We have all read the testimony and the decision, but that doesn't make it any easier when a pilot is looking at a major change of lifestyle. However, that's life. God knows that most of the ual pilots know this lesson all too well.

Here's my proposal to sunvox and company: be quiet for now, let everyone cope. As has been mentioned countless times, this is done and we all need to move on. Let everyone do it on their own time and if you feel compelled to buy the other side a beer, then just make sure you talk about cars, woman, guns, whatever and don't feel that the price of a beer is a ticket to preach.

And finally, whatever games either legacy mec attempts to play in the coming weeks (jump seat, fences, etc), let's all remember that as of three days ago we are one team and let's spend our energy building unity not pointing fingers.

Great post. I fully agree

Red97Vette 09-07-2013 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by Tailwind6 (Post 1479287)
I think this might help...Perspective from a wise man.

Kubler-Ross' Phases of Grief - YouTube

Classic. Best show ever.

Shrek 09-07-2013 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1479285)
Ok, typically there are seven stages of grief following a loss and it takes time to make it through all seven successfully. Many pilots on both sides of the fence (including me) are coming to terms. We have all read the testimony and the decision, but that doesn't make it any easier when a pilot is looking at a major change of lifestyle. However, that's life. God knows that most of the ual pilots know this lesson all too well.

Here's my proposal to sunvox and company: be quiet for now, let everyone cope. As has been mentioned countless times, this is done and we all need to move on. Let everyone do it on their own time and if you feel compelled to buy the other side a beer, then just make sure you talk about cars, woman, guns, whatever and don't feel that the price of a beer is a ticket to preach.

And finally, whatever games either legacy mec attempts to play in the coming weeks (jump seat, fences, etc), let's all remember that as of three days ago we are one team and let's spend our energy building unity not pointing fingers.

Yup........agreed :)

APC225 09-07-2013 06:09 PM

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Snarge 09-09-2013 06:42 AM

Ok, then talk about something else when flying and going through the grieving process.... really don't want to hear it.... call your buddies and blow on them...

CALFO 09-09-2013 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by Snarge (Post 1480415)
Ok, then talk about something else when flying and going through the grieving process.... really don't want to hear it.... call your buddies and blow on them...

Blow on them? No thanks.

UAL T38 Phlyer 09-09-2013 09:26 PM

Actually, 5 stages
 
From Wikipedia:

The Kübler-Ross model, commonly referred to as the "five stages of grief", is a hypothesis introduced by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross[1] and says that when a person is faced with the reality of impending death or other extreme, awful fate, he or she will experience a series of emotional stages: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. This hypothesis was introduced in Kübler-Ross' 1969 book On Death and Dying, which was inspired by her work with terminally ill patients.

Using poetic license to edit for the airline profession:

The Legacy Consolidation model, commonly referred to as the "five stages of grief," is a hypothesis introduced by (insert your MEC here) and says that when a pilot is faced with the reality of impending Merger or other extreme, awful fate (such as a proposed SLI) they will experience a series of emotional stages:

1. Denial of applicability of ALPA Policy or precedent,
2. Anger at the Negotiating Committees, ALPA National, and the Other Carriers' MEC,
3. Collective Bargaining,
4. Economic and Emotional Depression, and
5. Acceptance and Embarrassment, when frivolous Lawsuits are filed.

This hypothesis was introduced in George Hopkins' books Flying the Line and Flying the Line II, which was inspired by ALPA's work with pilots who lived in Airport Terminals while on reserve, giving rise to the phenomenon popularly called "terminal illness." ;)

bbhnpd 09-10-2013 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 1480940)
From Wikipedia:

The Kübler-Ross model, commonly referred to as the "five stages of grief", is a hypothesis introduced by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross[1] and says that when a person is faced with the reality of impending death or other extreme, awful fate, he or she will experience a series of emotional stages: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. This hypothesis was introduced in Kübler-Ross' 1969 book On Death and Dying, which was inspired by her work with terminally ill patients.

Using poetic license to edit for the airline profession:

The Legacy Consolidation model, commonly referred to as the "five stages of grief," is a hypothesis introduced by (insert your MEC here) and says that when a pilot is faced with the reality of impending Merger or other extreme, awful fate (such as a proposed SLI) they will experience a series of emotional stages:

1. Denial of applicability of ALPA Policy or precedent,
2. Anger at the Negotiating Committees, ALPA National, and the Other Carriers' MEC,
3. Collective Bargaining,
4. Economic and Emotional Depression, and
5. Acceptance and Embarrassment, when frivolous Lawsuits are filed.

This hypothesis was introduced in George Hopkins' books Flying the Line and Flying the Line II, which was inspired by ALPA's work with pilots who lived in Airport Terminals while on reserve, giving rise to the phenomenon popularly called "terminal illness." ;)

Clever. Number 2 really should have a sub-part where the pilots who can't be bothered to give a minute of their time for the group vigorously call for a "new and better" union that will always do everything to everyone's satisfaction.


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