I will add that furloughees will never pay. Now, or twenty years from now. They have paid too high a price, and will continue for the rest of their career.

When there is a lot of movement, lots of jr folks are able to bid above their "stovepipe" as many choose QOL over the left seat. When a big furlough happens with huge bumps, staffing goes down much closer to "stovepipe". i.e., no 75% guys holding left seats.

What is going to happen soon, I have not seen before. We have many hundreds of 756 pilots in the middle of the seniority list that will bump to various places. Plus 300-400 retirements per year.

I am only certain of two things - manpower planning will screw it up, and some jr guys on the CAL side are going to get bumped and not like it.

Here is a question. Are pilots with existing bid freezes still frozen? Is the company removing all current freezes so that anyone can now bid anything now that we are one big "happy family"?

Enjoy your instant access to 52 unfenced 777s. Sure would have been cool if you guys brought 2.36 times the 777s we had to the table. You would have had to bring 123 777s, not 22. That's ok though. I'll still buy the first round.

The 7565 is the total number of pilots with UAL by their name on the final ISL.

The 6572 number is the junior pilot actually on the bid list on the current United Bid roster.

So, the difference between the two numbers is the number of pilots still on furlough plus the number of UA pilots flying on the CAL side .

A320

"Here is a question. Are pilots with existing bid freezes still frozen? Is the company removing all current freezes so that anyone can now bid anything now that we are one big "happy family"? "

I'll bet you know the answer to that question on your own.

Now my opinion, and it's not worth much, is no the freezes stand. Of course since there has been little to no movement on the ex-UAL side (no more s stuff it's over) almost all the ex-UAL pilots are free to bid. Since I don't know the previous contractual bid/position freeze language from the ex-CAL side I can't say what their ability to bid id. But, if J P has anything to do with oit he signed a side letter letting ex-CAL pilot get some super seniority for 2years should the SLI not go his way.

Smile ;)

Toddnel,

When looking at the Jr man in base list and in particular looking at the Jr. captains on that list. It seems to me that your above statement is somewhat incorrect. There are a PILE of captain (bids) that are WAY Jr. in every base according to the list.

A320, with all due respect, lcal pilots had plenty of access to widebody positions premerger. In fact, i believe it was spring of '08, we actually had 4 NEWHIRES awarded the 777. The 787 has gone very junior as well. Personally i have been a lineholder on the 777 since '07. The guys/gals from Ual around my seniority all hold 767 fo at best... Will be interesting to see how it all shuffles out, i hope for as little pain as possible for me and ALL my fellow pilots. Steve

No problem, no respect taken. The fact that there were such junior bids is because being on reserve over there was so bad the only thing worse would have been if you had to smoke pole before each leg. Now that reserve won't be as bad you will see it go more senior especially with less commuting to undesirable bases.

Umm, trying to understand your response. Yes reserve on the 737 was terrible, mostly because the company never kept up with the summer staffing...

My point was...a recent hire could previously bid 777, and be on reserve, rather than a lineholder on the 737. He had the choice of the two even with our low number of 777's. On the triple, reserves rarely flew more than a couple hundred hours a yr. Not trying to get in a ****in contest as thats been going on long enough and one reason i rarely post. Just pointing out that our two groups have bid differently in the past, and curious as to where everybody is heading.