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756IAHFO 10-12-2013 08:37 AM

Why no displacements?
 
I am confused, I thought all of the junior/untrained 737 captains were going to displaced and there would be a new bid for all UAL pilots for those positions.

As far as I see, all of the CAL folks that got a captain bid in 1402 are still on the recent award.

LifeNtheFstLne 10-12-2013 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by 756IAHFO (Post 1500633)
I am confused, I thought all of the junior/untrained 737 captains were going to displaced and there would be a new bid for all UAL pilots for those positions.

As far as I see, all of the CAL folks that got a captain bid in 1402 are still on the recent award.

There has to be a vacancy.

756IAHFO 10-12-2013 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by LifeNtheFstLne (Post 1500645)
There has to be a vacancy.

So all of the UAL pilots that were telling our junior captains that they were in their seat were wrong I guess??

oldmako 10-12-2013 09:25 AM

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SpecialTracking 10-12-2013 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by 756IAHFO (Post 1500647)
So all of the UAL pilots that were telling our junior captains that they were in their seat were wrong I guess??

The issue is is being handled by the Dispute Resolution process.

756IAHFO 10-12-2013 10:16 AM

I never really understood it anyways. I heard that UAL pilots hired at CAL were telling junior captains that they would take their seat after SLI.

I don't think any of those UAL pilots ended up being senior to junior captains in SLI anyways since they were all 99 hires and newer.

Why would they ever think that? I would feel like a fool now if I were them since they are not even close.

756IAHFO 10-12-2013 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1500679)
The issue is is being handled by the Dispute Resolution process.

I don't even know what that means, but good luck.

SpecialTracking 10-12-2013 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by 756IAHFO (Post 1500686)
I don't even know what that means, but good luck.

It's in the EKN award. Have you by chance read that?
.................................................. .............................
October 8, 2013

To: Pre-merger United Pilots

Re: Eischen/Kaplan/Nolan Dispute Resolution Process and Potential Claim

We have been selected to serve as the Pre-Merger UAL members of the UALMEC Dispute Resolution Committee (“DRC”). Tony Montalto and Neal Schwartz are our counterparts from the Pre-Merger CAL pilot group. You will recognize all four names as pre-merger MEC Merger Committee members, as the initial members of the DRC must be drawn from the two Committees.

The DRC was created by the September 3, 2013 Eischen/Kaplan/Nolan SLI Award (“EKN Award”) as the body that processes any disputes between the two pre-merger pilot groups concerning the Company’s compliance with the EKN Award. Under the DRC process, the respective sets of DRC members are independent from the new combined MEC and will conduct their work separate from the MEC’s work and oversight.

The four of us will meet soon to assign responsibilities (Chairman and Secretary) and begin the process of representing the pre-merger groups in post-SLI disputes. Each “side” of the committee will be funded with funds set aside for this process by their pre-merger MECs. They will also each have outside legal representation, paid for from these separate funds. The UAL DRC will be continue to be represented by the law firm of Bredhoff & Kaiser, P.L.L.C. - Jeff Freund and his colleagues who represented us in the SLI case. The MEC has established separate web sites for each pre-merger group on the UALMEC website and we will upload a DRC Claim form to be used by pilots to lodge complaints as soon as the form has been created.

The structure and process of the DRC are outlined in Appendix B to the EKN Award. The following brief summary of the DRC process is not a substitute for reading the entire DRC document which you can read by visiting the site at this link: Legacy UAL Website. Under the DRC process, if a pilot or group of pilots believes the Company has taken an action that is inconsistent with the EKN Award, they must file a claim with their DRC members on the claim form that will be developed. The claim must be filed within 120 days of the incident or occurrence giving rise to the claim. The DRC members from the complaining pilot(s)’ pre-merger pilot group will then consider the claim and determine if 1) the DRC has jurisdiction over it; and 2) there is merit to the claim. If they conclude there is no DRC jurisdiction or that the claim does not have merit, the DRC members will not process the claim further and will so advise the claimant(s). If they believe the DRC has jurisdiction and the claim is meritorious, they will present the matter to the remaining DRC members for further action. The full DRC will then convene to consider and resolve the claim and, if the DRC determines that it has jurisdiction and that the claim is valid, will notify the Company and take necessary steps to secure the Company’s compliance with the EKN Award. The DRC process in Appendix B also sets forth procedures for resolving any deadlock among DRC members including, if necessary, arbitration by one of the three SLI arbitrators of disputes between the DRC members over whether the DRC has jurisdiction and, if so, whether the claim has merit.

We are currently investigating concerns raised regarding the Company’s handling of bids 14-02V and 14-02D, issued after the EKN Award, and the remnants of Bids 13-08, 14-02, and 14-02A and Training and Advancement Bids 13-10 and 13-11. Based on the information available, we believe there may be a claim that the Company has failed to follow the EKN Award and the ISL in several respects and that pre-merger UAL pilots are being harmed as a result. While we cannot get into specifics about what the DRC is doing with respect to this or any other potential claims, we want to assure you that the issues are being reviewed and that all legitimate claims will be pursued as provided for by the DRC procedures. The information that is circulating on various forums is not coming from the DRC and is not under our control, so we cannot vouch for its accuracy. As our work continues, we will provide further details regarding any potential claims, and the process, as we are able to do so.

SoCentralRain 10-12-2013 10:55 AM


Why would they ever think that? I would feel like a fool now if I were them since they are not even close.
You can feel like a fool for other reasons of which I can think.

SCR

Slats Extend 10-12-2013 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 1500657)


Damn Mako! I thought I recognized you in the terminal.

Thanks for the self pic !


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