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HotPot 12-16-2013 01:33 PM

I dont want anyone to get displaced. Thats a bad thing when forced upon you. We should all feel this way. SLI is done. I think the angst is over the training with who gets in first? Lets be more adult than this. Remember this will take some time to shake out. Enjoy your holidays everyone!

pilot64golfer 12-16-2013 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by HotPot (Post 1540991)
I dont want anyone to get displaced. Thats a bad thing when forced upon you.

You mean getting to pick any position and base that you can hold and go there without a training freeze is a bad thing?

jsled 12-16-2013 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1540986)
No, and that is what is making many of the LCAL pilots upset. The company is using the BAT process to in effect open a 756 base in LAX and IAD. By doing this they keep the displacement of senior 76T pilots down by redeploying the LCAL 756 A/C to these locations.

Exactly right....but DEN and ORD are a phat problem. 240ish 76T pilots in DEN, 380ish in ORD. And no BAT. You are spot on about IAH, the company can bump the more junior 756 guys (since BAT makes it a single fleet for bumps). THe more senior 76T guys can volunteer to take their bumps, but only with their seniority. Brilliant!

Sled

sleeves 12-16-2013 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1541001)
Exactly right....but DEN and ORD are a phat problem. 240ish 76T pilots in DEN, 380ish in ORD. And no BAT. You are spot on about IAH, the company can bump the more junior 756 guys (since BAT makes it a single fleet for bumps). THe more senior 76T guys can volunteer to take their bumps, but only with their seniority. Brilliant!

Sled

Any Idea how many 763 A/C are staying in ord? I thought I read somewhere not all of them were leaving right away. Also, is your 240 number in DEN including SUP pilots? There will be some bumps but I doubt if there will be secondary off the 73, but I have been wrong before.

JetBlast77 12-16-2013 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1541060)
Any Idea how many 763 A/C are staying in ord? I thought I read somewhere not all of them were leaving right away. Also, is your 240 number in DEN including SUP pilots? There will be some bumps but I doubt if there will be secondary off the 73, but I have been wrong before.

People keep saying there will be "some" bumps. Isnt the entire 76T fleet slated to be parked? Won't everyone left in a seat eventually get bumped?

jsled 12-16-2013 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1541060)
Any Idea how many 763 A/C are staying in ord? I thought I read somewhere not all of them were leaving right away. Also, is your 240 number in DEN including SUP pilots? There will be some bumps but I doubt if there will be secondary off the 73, but I have been wrong before.

I have no idea how many 763 will stay in Ord, only that 14 out of 35 are staying in the fleet. No word on when the 763s start disappearing. The 240 number are all DEN 76T pilots...Cap and FO, no TK dudes are in that count. Got it off the line awards for DEC. I agree that there should not be any secondaries off the 73 if they do it smartly...that's a big if.

Sled

jsled 12-16-2013 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by JetBlast77 (Post 1541105)
People keep saying there will be "some" bumps. Isnt the entire 76T fleet slated to be parked? Won't everyone left in a seat eventually get bumped?

29 jets are staying, and there are the 757-2s/3s, and 767-400s in the ex-CAL fleet.

Airhoss 12-16-2013 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by HotPot (Post 1540991)
I dont want anyone to get displaced. Thats a bad thing when forced upon you. We should all feel this way. SLI is done. I think the angst is over the training with who gets in first? Lets be more adult than this. Remember this will take some time to shake out. Enjoy your holidays everyone!

I got surplused into this 76T right seat from the left seat of the Bus and I'll get surplused out of it too. Turn about being what is and all that stuff.

A displacement can be a horrible thing or a good thing depending on where, what, why and how. So for us 76T guys it was a bad thing getting in and a good thing getting out.

HotPot 12-16-2013 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1541121)
I got surplused into this 76T right seat from the left seat of the Bus and I'll get surplused out of it too. Turn about being what is and all that stuff.

A displacement can be a horrible thing or a good thing depending on where, what, why and how. So for us 76T guys it was a bad thing getting in and a good thing getting out.

Hoss enjoy it. I am flying 270 hours every 3 months here in China. Thats a dream for me....
I look forward to getting back to FAR work and rest rules that are actually followed.
Take care everyone.

Probe 12-16-2013 09:57 PM

I was just glancing through the detailed 1403v award to get an idea how many pilots would get bumped out of the 76T, and then I looked at the ORD 737 Capt list. Good God man. The ORD guppy captain was always the junior Capt slot, but nothing like it is right now. My current percentage there is higher than it will probably be in 15 years when I retire. 30ish percent.


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