Vacancy Snapshot
 

643 Total vacancies with all the movement on this snapshot.

Can we handle this training? This is a MONTHLY bid.

We can't even handle a normal payroll, vacation, and PBS!

The concentration of scabs on the 787 is unreal

Brought to you by the UAL negotiators who wanted to protect their precious 747-400 flying

The CAL negotiators didn't even have a fence in their original proposal.

Now, the only growth WB aircraft is fenced to keep LUAL guys out!

Genius move UAL negotiating team!

True, but when the fence drops, the LUAL pilots will be able to come in with nice seniority because the fence artificially makes the equipment go more junior than it otherwise would.

It all washes out in the end.

On the other side of this argument, a huge number of scabs have been "fenced off", and if you don't want to fly with them, don't bid Sparky. I don't consider this a bad thing.

The law of unintended consequences.

I wish PBS had an Avoid Scab command.

Am I looking at the wrong thing? The vacancy bid only had a handful of open places to bid. Where is this 643?

Beware the Snapshot!!!!

It appears as though this snapshot shows the results with Maximum Backfilling!!!! Previously they have all shown only mandatory backfilling. When you consider what the Bulletin shows for minimum staffing levels for some fleets/seats (IE 11 backfills to IAH 737 Cap when minimum shows they can have 60 leave) I don't think this snapshot is worth the PDF it is written on.

So, I imagine there will be a correction coming out once it is discovered.

Good catch

Yet at that point 24 airplanes will be fully staffed

And 24 747-400s will have been staffed consecutively. So its even when the fences come down.

We have 65 of these on order (40 from LUAL and the 25 LCAL). This is going to be a growing fleet for many years still.

This snap shot is jacked up backfills to IAH and DEN prove that.

Although it looks good for new hires I wouldn't get my hopes up someone pushed the wrong button....

Very true but this was a major oops for the negotiating committee as these are 24 widebodies worth of new positions while the 747s were already fully staffed. In order to protect maybe 10-15 positions on the 747 that might have gone to exCAL guys they gave up the ability to bid on hundreds of widebody slots. Don't get me wrong, I have no heartache about the fences.

10-15 positions? Not even close. Just one of the bids had 40 747 bids by itself.

Also, the UAL merger committee didn't ask to be fenced off the scabliner. They asked for domicile fences for those two airplanes, and the CAL MC asked for the scabliner to be fenced regardless of pilot domicile because they were interested in protecting their scabs, which worked.

So the CAL guys get to keep their scabs to themselves and the UAL guys don't have to fly with them right away.

I'd say that's actually a better deal for the UAL pilots.

Sorry to be a bother.. But being kind of new.. Why did it say I could be an A320 FO when I am on the 737? I didn't think we can go lateral.. Thanks! Have a great week!

10-15 was the number of CAL guys that probably could hold it and would want it. The large number of openings was a one time deal with the base move back to ORD.

The original plan from CAL called for no fences, it was the desire of the UAL group to have the fences and they got what they wanted. It's a true case of be careful what you wish for. Knowing two of the negotiating committee members quite well, I assure you no one put one minute of consideration to protecting a scab from anything.

I'm guessing the minute those fences drop there will be a flood of UA folks bidding the aircraft regardless of who they are flying with.

The last snapshot had major problems with it and is completely inaccurate. There were lots of lateral moves, and a few UA folks as 787 Captains.

If you are looking at the bidding screen percentages on the right hand side, those do not take seat locks into account. They simply tell you what your seniority number currently could hold in each base.

By they way, the best way to pick up all this stuff is to ask, you're not a bother. If someone gives you attitude, they are probably part of the 10%ers that both sides have and aren't worth worrying about.

Thanks so much!

Wasn't that for reopening of ORD. How many going forward will there be. To see the fence as a win proves your blindness to common sense. I'm a L-UA pilot and view the loss of growth airplanes as a complete screw up by our negotiating committee. They did a very good job for the most part, they just listened to the wrong crowd when it applied to fencing the 747.

It's not just LUAL, there is something about that airplane that seems to invoke a lack of rational thinking at times. Ask the old NWA guys and they will tell you the same thing. The 747 lead them down similar paths and often times made for some poor negotiating results. God help us if we ever get a Super Jumbo on the property, someone will want this uniform to set them apart! :D

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20/20 hindsight is rearing it's ugly head. Our (l-ual) negotiating team lost several battles with Pierce, who took full advantage of the hammer he had with respect to our 2003 Bankruptcy contract signed under duress. That concessionary contract put heat on the Negotiating Team to get a deal. And Pierce stood in the way; demanding things like merged pay-scale demands with the 737 and 767-400. It was a hard swallow to agree to these demands to get a contract. So the Negotiating Team had to come thru on the fences - which historically are issues that are demanded by merged airlines. Good or Bad, they are here to stay - at least for a while. So enjoy the 787...for now

That's what I wear on my days off. All the girls' eyes are on me when I walk into the local KFC!

Does anyone know how these current max/mins were derived?

The last bid had 75 EWR76t FO vacancies to fill and roughly 15-20 were filled. but this max/min bulletin shows EWR76t FOs at max of 96 now? What happened to the rest of the 60 vacancies?

Fences were asked for by the Merger Cmte, not the Neg Cmte. There wasn't an LUA or LCAL Neg Cmte either, there was a JointNC comprised of both teams.

Yup my mistake on that typo, it was late at night. I meant to say merger committee, not neg.

Everything Pierce did, he did to affect the SLI.

In the end, all his shenanigans failed to have any influence on the combined seniority list.

He lost.

He hurt us all (LCAL and LUAL) in the process.

Is he over in management yet??

By going unfilled that puts them in the pool of available assignments for recallee/new hires. However, the company doesn't have to assign all of them so I don't think they include any of them in the bulletin numbers. As those assignments are given out to recallees or new hires then they will be included in the numbers.

So, I think that these numbers are based on the current bids held by the pilots that are actually on the property.

a more realistic snap shot has been posted no DEN, IAH or ORD backfills for FOs and junior CA is EWR 737 6264.

That sounds more realistic. I am surprised how senior the 737 in EWR is going. I'm sure as these bids continue, we will see it trend back towards a more junior position. One of the reasons it was soo junior on the CAL side premerger was because anything less than 50% in base absolutely sucked, especially during the summer. It is always chronically understaffed, very few trips are commutable and the reserves are abused. Now add in the three airport deal and there are probably some Siberian prisons that will be more welcoming. I did it for two years at about 70% in base. I still have the scars.

The island flying is fun however for those who love flying and have no family.

Excellent post. I think the bid is at this seniority because they will ALL be line holders . The junior one on this snapshot should be in the 65ish% range.

Dead on.

I think you will also see that process expedited as other domiciles open up with more 737 CAP bids. If you look at ORD it is going super senior, but already on this snapshot you see 3 guys taking laterals from EWR to ORD.

So, since EWR is the only place people down in the 5000s (and low 6000s) seniority range can hold on this bid, they take the bid and figure they will get the pay, hold a line in EWR and then lateral when the opportunity comes.

Obviously, this is not the case for all of the folks, but I think as other options become available in ORD, DEN, and especially DCA (if that opens), you will see a good percentage of folks lateral out of EWR and others will continue come in. Hopefully this can all happen quickly, but either way I think that you are right that EWR is going to continue to be the most junior CAP base.

I think it also has to do with the lack of progression and actual regression that occurred during the 2000's on the UAL side. I don't blame guys for being anxious to see the left seat as it's been a long time coming. I tried it for just over two years and have been on the 777 ever since. After PBS, the schedules were just too hard to manage unless your over 40% in base. Summer staffing has always sucked. To me the small increase in pay (post taxes) isn't worth it. But everyone's situation is different.