Vacation question
 

I'm sure this has been discussed before but I haven't been able to find the thread.

If you change bases but not equipment, can you keep the vacation you were awarded? Thanks in advance.

Don't think so...

No. It gets canceled and you have to bid it monthly.

I've heard you lose it. Bad deal. Was this an LUAL practice? Certainly not an improvement. LCAL kept vacation no matter what, change equipment, seats, bases... Also, everyone that wanted to bid, got annual vacation if they wanted it. None of this "hope for monthly vacation bid slots".

It violates local seniority.

In no way does it do that. No one loses something they never had.. as in vacation.

Doesn't matter because that's not how it is done now......

My new mantra.....

"Move on Ex-Con!!"

They "had" a better vacation than those junior to them. Now someone junior to them "has" a better vacation than them. Can't have that. At CAL FOs woul choose to bid upgrade in the spring, after they had bid 2 weeks off at Christmas and 3 weeks off in the summer. Now they're at the bottom of the captain side with same vacation. Some not pleased.

Thanks for the responses.

Not necessarily junior, and not necessarily better. But whatever,,, that's just whining since nothing was taken away from anyone. However now, vacation itself can be an impediment to exercise of seniority because a pilot may have to forgo bidding up so as to keep his vacation that his wife/hubby had planned for a year. There are other real assaults on seniority- Preferential bidding maybe number one! "Overall solution constraints" @Shrek - that is right out of the Hillary Clinton Benghazi play book " what does it matter now"?

So how do you bid monthly vacation? I see no option for it in CCS.

Look under the Bidding tab, drop down to the 4th entry VACATION BID: monthly,.

Not that I ever needed to use it or wanted to since I was always able to bid all my vacation. And not that you will see any available periods to bid these days anyway.

Kinda like but but the SFO MOU said......doesn't matter because the most recent document (SLI) controls - you'll see pretty soon.

To equate what happened at Benghazi and what we are talking about here is irresponsible at the very least. But I had to smile at the fact this was the first time anybody equated anything that I thought or said to Hillary Clinton.......thanks for the chuckle.

BMEP,

Negative on the bidding tab. On my bidding tab the fourth and last entry is displacement bid. There is no monthly tab on my CCS Bidding tab. Could this possibly be yet another IT error?

I think the LUAL CCS site is different from the LCAL. Guess it evens out. You cannot bid for non-existent monthly vacation. I cannot bid for non existent crew meals.

Don't have to - Usource is your friend - over 100 paid claims so far.

Is that what Jeffy meant when he speaks of synergy?:D

with friends like U-source… who needs enemies.

If I remember correctly, our last LEC meeting addressed the monthly bidding issue. They said, and chuckled at the same time, for the LUAL side, IT didn't have the program in place yet, and won't be ready till the fall.

But it doesn't really matter anyway, because UAL stated that they will not be awarding any monthly vacation in the summer. Still leaves a couple of month gap. Can you say contract violation?

Can you say SOP?

I know this thread is ancient, but we've got this exact issue and I can't find an answer.

Wife was awarded EWR guppy vacation for Jan 15 back during the annual vacation bidding period earlier this year. She then lateraled via to LAX in September. However, vacation award in CCS still shows EWR vacation. No vacation for her in LAX.

Since I'm expecting it not to actually show in her LAX bidding starting tomorrow, how do we reclaim those days to ensure she doesn't lose them? Or get them back so she can attempt monthly vacation bidding?

Not sure I understand the question regarding "EWR Vacation." As far as I know vacation is vacation. The UPA says that the company "can" cancel vacation. If it's still in there I assume they haven't canceled it. I had similar happen recently when I did a base trade. My vacation wasn't canceled, probably because it is in January, a slow month and not desirable anyhow. Go into CCS under "Reports" and "Absences". Mine says "Yearly Vacation".

While she was based in EWR, she bid for and was awarded annual vacation for the end of Jan 15. Under Reports/Annual Vacation, it shows, and has always shown, as EWR based vacation. Even though four months ago she lateraled to LAX, the vacation still shows as EWR vacation. Since bidding for January starts tomorrow, and this thread seems to indicate it's all domicile, rather than system based vacation, wondering what to do to reclaim the days so she even can monthly vacation bid or not lose the days entirely. They don't show her having any days to bid under monthly vacation bidding.

Was hoping to find someone who's had this exact thing happen with vacation awarded in the old domicile and what to do when it doesn't transfer.

My guess is that they did not cancel her annual vacation and she still has it in January which is why she has no days for monthly bidding. I'm curious how CCS delineates it as EWR based? As stated, mine just says "Yearly Vacation". It was awarded in IAH and I'm at another base now. The easiest way to tell, since the January bidding cycle just opened today, is to go into CCS and see if she has Yearly vacation in January. Any planned absences will show at the top in the calendar strip. My IAH awarded Yearly Vacation is still in there even though I base traded 2 months ago...

Cheers,

HT

I must apologize for jumping the gun. With bidding opening early for January, it turns out it's in there correctly in LAX.

After going 0 for 2 with getting the lateral stuff correct from the start, combined with this thread about the vacation being cancelled after lateraling, I had no reason to think it wouldn't have been a mess.

UAL did good here.

Careful, attaboys toward the company are frowned upon by the older folks on this board :D

I'll grant maybe they didn't do bad. Or maybe someone just forgot and didn't do anything at all.
Vacation is awarded to employee numbers, not bases. So unless someone manually removes that vacation from the employees staffing schedule, it should still show up on PBS that month.

Must really upset the 5 year olds in LAX who are in the group of "hey somebody got a good deal, and I didn't.. Waaaa!

I totally agree that vacation is vacation, but based on this thread and assuming vacation is awarded based on manpower planning per domicile, it made sense the EWR awarded vacation wouldn't transfer overt to LAX. It did, without intervention. Amazed us, actually.

Yeah...

It's not supposed to work that way.

I thought it could still be awarded if the company allowed it, but there was no more right to it.

Either that or an IT glitch that favors a pilot (finally).