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#81
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No, but it allowed it to easily succeed. A lot easier to fight a one front war than a two front war. Kind of tough to get the mediator to pressure the company when JNC can't agree on pay rates. JP had no sense of urgency to complete a JCBA. As Tara Cook often gushed, 'Contracts come & go, but seniority is forever.'
JP represented managent's interest far better than the pilots'.
JP represented managent's interest far better than the pilots'.
That management internship, I mean C-ALPA was a great program, wasn't Sugah-land Pierce?
#82
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Your an expert I bet. Sit home on your computer and type more BS. We are all impressed.
#83
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Why would Attarian or other managers hire an ALPA traitor? He has nothing to offer now except complete untrustworthiness and Abbott and his ditto-heads are on the outs and don't have the connections they had inside the IACP or CALPA. Even Jackson Martin's utility is waning and he is infinitely smarter and more reliable than JP.
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On me having issues with the average CAL guy? Absolutely not. I have many LCAL friends. I have never stated, nor will I, that I have an issue with the guys that have my back, as I have theirs. We had all better start working together pretty soon or thing is not going towork. A good first start would be to wear the pin, accept the SLI and realize that openers are coming quickly.
Where the UAL side feels no loyalty to Jeff, some on the CAL side feel in order to maintain touch/contact with the old CAL they need to support Jeff no matter how bad he's done as chief of United Airlines. The sooner they let go of that notion the sooner we'll move forward as a collective
So since you agreed 100%, in your view a healthy portion of CAL pilots are management apologists. Sure sounds like you have problem with the average CAL pilot to me. Btw, my pin has never left my tie and I accepted the SLI before it even came out due to the simple fact that I knew it was mercifully out of my hands. And in my humble opinon, I'd rather focus contractual leverage on 787 and A350 pay equaling The Whale in the years ahead rather then seeking gains towards a fleet that will be retired by 2022 optimistically.
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Its quite simple Mr Stoops, you replied that you agreed 100% to a post containing this rubbish,
Where the UAL side feels no loyalty to Jeff, some on the CAL side feel in order to maintain touch/contact with the old CAL they need to support Jeff no matter how bad he's done as chief of United Airlines. The sooner they let go of that notion the sooner we'll move forward as a collective
So since you agreed 100%, in your view a healthy portion of CAL pilots are management apologists. Sure sounds like you have problem with the average CAL pilot to me. Btw, my pin has never left my tie and I accepted the SLI before it even came out due to the simple fact that I knew it was mercifully out of my hands. And in my humble opinon, I'd rather focus contractual leverage on 787 and A350 pay equaling The Whale in the years ahead rather then seeking gains towards a fleet that will be retired by 2022 optimistically.
Where the UAL side feels no loyalty to Jeff, some on the CAL side feel in order to maintain touch/contact with the old CAL they need to support Jeff no matter how bad he's done as chief of United Airlines. The sooner they let go of that notion the sooner we'll move forward as a collective
So since you agreed 100%, in your view a healthy portion of CAL pilots are management apologists. Sure sounds like you have problem with the average CAL pilot to me. Btw, my pin has never left my tie and I accepted the SLI before it even came out due to the simple fact that I knew it was mercifully out of my hands. And in my humble opinon, I'd rather focus contractual leverage on 787 and A350 pay equaling The Whale in the years ahead rather then seeking gains towards a fleet that will be retired by 2022 optimistically.
...and a lot of 83 hires I share duties with, also a lot of Gboy captains as well, so a mixed bag it is.....I have NEVER heard one soul say that Flibs was doing a good job or anything close...he needs yo go, and ASAP at that...nice try on the CAL brethren "hanging on"...
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Its quite simple Mr Stoops, you replied that you agreed 100% to a post containing this rubbish,
Where the UAL side feels no loyalty to Jeff, some on the CAL side feel in order to maintain touch/contact with the old CAL they need to support Jeff no matter how bad he's done as chief of United Airlines. The sooner they let go of that notion the sooner we'll move forward as a collective
So since you agreed 100%, in your view a healthy portion of CAL pilots are management apologists. Sure sounds like you have problem with the average CAL pilot to me. Btw, my pin has never left my tie and I accepted the SLI before it even came out due to the simple fact that I knew it was mercifully out of my hands. And in my humble opinon, I'd rather focus contractual leverage on 787 and A350 pay equaling The Whale in the years ahead rather then seeking gains towards a fleet that will be retired by 2022 optimistically.
Where the UAL side feels no loyalty to Jeff, some on the CAL side feel in order to maintain touch/contact with the old CAL they need to support Jeff no matter how bad he's done as chief of United Airlines. The sooner they let go of that notion the sooner we'll move forward as a collective
So since you agreed 100%, in your view a healthy portion of CAL pilots are management apologists. Sure sounds like you have problem with the average CAL pilot to me. Btw, my pin has never left my tie and I accepted the SLI before it even came out due to the simple fact that I knew it was mercifully out of my hands. And in my humble opinon, I'd rather focus contractual leverage on 787 and A350 pay equaling The Whale in the years ahead rather then seeking gains towards a fleet that will be retired by 2022 optimistically.
I have been over it for a long time as well.
What I would have preferred was that we came to the best agreement possible. Instead one side tried to leverage the process and failed. That hurt all of us.
Scott
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#89
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
Its quite simple Mr Stoops, you replied that you agreed 100% to a post containing this rubbish,
Where the UAL side feels no loyalty to Jeff, some on the CAL side feel in order to maintain touch/contact with the old CAL they need to support Jeff no matter how bad he's done as chief of United Airlines. The sooner they let go of that notion the sooner we'll move forward as a collective
So since you agreed 100%, in your view a healthy portion of CAL pilots are management apologists. Sure sounds like you have problem with the average CAL pilot to me. Btw, my pin has never left my tie and I accepted the SLI before it even came out due to the simple fact that I knew it was mercifully out of my hands. And in my humble opinon, I'd rather focus contractual leverage on 787 and A350 pay equaling The Whale in the years ahead rather then seeking gains towards a fleet that will be retired by 2022 optimistically.
My my my, you two would make some outstanding ex-wives
Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
Its quite simple Mr Stoops, you replied that you agreed 100% to a post containing this rubbish,
Where the UAL side feels no loyalty to Jeff, some on the CAL side feel in order to maintain touch/contact with the old CAL they need to support Jeff no matter how bad he's done as chief of United Airlines. The sooner they let go of that notion the sooner we'll move forward as a collective
So since you agreed 100%, in your view a healthy portion of CAL pilots are management apologists. Sure sounds like you have problem with the average CAL pilot to me. Btw, my pin has never left my tie and I accepted the SLI before it even came out due to the simple fact that I knew it was mercifully out of my hands. And in my humble opinon, I'd rather focus contractual leverage on 787 and A350 pay equaling The Whale in the years ahead rather then seeking gains towards a fleet that will be retired by 2022 optimistically.
Just so I have this clear, you called me out for agreeing with someone whom who you think you know who it is, with whom you disagree with regularly about the word some. Not all, not most, not even a plurality. Just some. Not a healthy portion. Some.
I have been over it for a long time as well.
What I would have preferred was that we came to the best agreement possible. Instead one side tried to leverage the process and failed. That hurt all of us.
Scott
I have been over it for a long time as well.
What I would have preferred was that we came to the best agreement possible. Instead one side tried to leverage the process and failed. That hurt all of us.
Scott
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