Long call question
 

New guy here trying to make sure I understand the long call rules. On my last day off. I understand I dont have to answer the phone on my last day off. They can put something on my schedule and I am supposed to check my schedule before midnight and it cant show before noon on my first day? I know there are other rules, but is that the quick and dirty?

My main concern is as long as I dont answer the phone I dont have to show before noon.

Thanks

Not exactly true depends on when they put it on your schedule. Spelled out pretty well in the contract section 20 I believe.

Chairman

They can give you a short call or field standby that starts no earlier than 1000.

check and screenshot your schedule at 6:01PM local base time, then don't answer your phone until midnight. I believe they are not putting any SC or FSB before noon on folk's schedules last day off.

Nope, they can assign a 1000 SC if they put it in your line before 1800. If not assigned by 1800 then 1200 show or shortcall at the earliest.

I get 1000 short call on my first day all the time. Only 10 hours notice is required for a short call per the UPA.

Read page 220 of the contract:

20-K-7-a thru
20-K-7-f

Spells it all out for you

Sorry, meant after 1800, SC has to be 12 hr notice, section 20-K-6-D. So with an 1800 screenshot showing LC, and by not answering your phone after 6, they can only call you at midnight and assign you to SC no earlier than noon.

Between 1800-23:59 short calls require 12 hr notice but after midnight to 1800 only 10 hrs. So after midnight your on the hook for 10am

This doesn't sound right... But what do I know? I start indoc on Tuesday.

all....thanks for there replies, i have read the section, but my head hurts when reading lawyer talk. I think I am starting to understand it.

welcome to United and your new contract!

20-K-6-d Ten (10) hours notice is required prior to the start of a Short Call assignment, if
the Short Call assignment is given to a Reserve from 0000 to 1759. Twelve (12) hours notice
is required prior to the start of a Short Call assignment, if the Short Call assignment is given
to a Reserve from 1800 to 2359. A Reserve may waive these requirements.

Yeah, I guess I was thinking of assignments made on last day off...

No difference.

This isn't different?

20-K-7-c Assignments made from 1500 to 1759 on the last day off prior to reserve days shall be placed in the Pilot's schedule and the Company shall notify the Pilot by phone. The assignment shall not require the Pilot to:
20-K-7-c-(1) report prior to 0900, for a Trip or Field Standby assignment; or
20-K-7-c-(2) begin earlier than 0900, for a Short Call assignment.
20-K-7-c-(3) A Pilot may waive these provisions.

20-K-7-d Assignments made after 1759 on the last day off prior to reserve days shall be placed in the Pilot's schedule and the Company shall notify the Pilot by phone. The assignment shall not require the Pilot to:
20-K-7-d-(1) depart prior to 1300, for a Trip; or
20-K-7-d-(2) begin earlier than 1200, for a Short Call assignment; or 20-K-7-d-(3) report prior to 1200, for a Field Standby assignment. 20-K-7-d-(4) A Pilot may waive these provisions.

At midnight this section no longer applies because you're no longer "on the last day off prior." You're now just on LSR and these sections apply,

20-K-5-a For a Trip assignment, a Long Call Reserve must be assigned the Trip with a minimum of thirteen (13) hours notice prior to scheduled Departure time.

20-K-6-d Ten (10) hours notice is required prior to the start of a Short Call assignment, if the Short Call assignment is given to a Reserve from 0000 to 1759. Twelve (12) hours notice is required prior to the start of a Short Call assignment, if the Short Call assignment is given to a Reserve from 1800 to 2359.

This section never applies due to pending FAR 117 considerations.

https://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/Deskto...cumentID=49506

6) Impact on Reserve Last Day Off: Because reserves are required to check their schedule on a day off between 1800 and 2359 (20-K-7 as modified by the JIT), this must be accounted for as company-required duty. A one minute duty period will be recorded at midnight of the first day on reserve (interim process pending programming changes that move this time to 1800). Following this one minute of duty, a minimum of 10 hours of rest free from duty is required.

Therefore, a reserve coming off days off is not legal to report for a trip or begin a SC/FSB until 1000 on his first day of reserve unless the crew desk achieves two-way contact (see Important Note below) or the pilot aggressively picks up an assignment. For reserves that are not coming off days off, be sure to consider this limitation and realize pilots on their first day of reserve cannot cover reports prior to 1000 unless they aggressively pick it up. Use caution when evaluating the FIFO list and make sure you consider this restriction on early reports for pilots coming off days off.

IMPORTANT NOTE: If the crew desk calls you on your last day off and achieves positive contact (two-way telephone conversation) they can give you an early SC or trip that departs as early as 0600. If such positive contact is achieved, there is no requirement to enter the 1 minute of duty at midnight but contact must be made at least 10 hours prior to the report or SC/FSB start time.

Flygirl,

That is correct there is no difference when we are speaking of notification times. IE 10, 12 or 13 hours. The difference comes in the form of the 1000 O clock show time on your first day of reserve availability.

I hope that clears it up for you?

Thanks guys... I'm sure I'll figure it all out. Just trying to get ahead of the game by reading through some of the contract ahead of time. It's been 14 years since I did my <2 months on reserve... Gonna be an adjustment!

Part 117 and reserve are wonderful [/sarcasm]

It didn't get any better...

The pain's the same, just moved around.

I'll take reserve at a major over being a senior captain at a regional... ANY. DAY.

I will, and am currently, taking reserve at United over a line. More days off for EWR 73 FOs.

117 actually makes working the Reserve schedule much easier. The 10AM earliest callout day 1 makes commuting much easier.

I agree with the above. I went from 3 Jul - 20 Jul without turning a wheel. That included 2 blocks of reserve and 3 short calls followed by my HDOs. I live in base so that is why it is fairly manageable.

I try to do military duty, when I can, on my last day off and on a day off after a reserve period. When placed on my last day off, they cannot contact me prior to 0100 on my first day on and they cannot put anything on my board until 1300.

By putting military duty on my first day off after a reserve block, that essentially blocks them from rolling my days off. It's working pretty good so far and who cares if they think I am trying to "game" the system. As far as I am concerned, I am doing military duty on days off.

Unfortunately, I only have about 7 TPs left until the end of this quarter so I need to be a little more judicious!

Good plan. They can think whatever they want. It's legit.

Heres a question. Can the crew desk change a show time for a trip from 1 hour prior to push to 2 hours prior in order to make it "legal" to assign to a FSB? I watched that one happen this morning.

Geeeez. That's a good one. What will they think of next. The legality of the assignment is based on both the notification time (4 hours from start of FSB) AND the push time (5 hours from start of FSB). It sounds like they were trying to squeeze in compliance with the first requirement but it would fail to comply with the second.

5-H-2 Without his concurrence, a Pilot shall not be held on standby duty at the airport in excess of four (4) hours and any assigned Flight must be scheduled to depart no later than five (5) hours from the start of his Duty Period.

JetBlast,

Apparently the crew desk can do anything they want. Write a PDR call your CPO and talk to your CP about it. The crew desk are a bunch of lying cheating sacks of human excrement. I've had them build me a trip with a deadhead flight that didn't exist, change the departure of a deadhead flight on my ID to make a trip legal and just flat out lie to me multiple times.

These losers at the crew desk need to be reined in.

Hey guys another reserve question....I live in a domicile other than where I am based, I have asked to pick up trips where I live but been told that a reserve is never allowed to pick up out of domicile no matter how short they are. Is this true? I could not find anything in the contract about it, but as I mentioned, I am not that good at reading lawyer talk.

When they get desperate they'll do anything they want. When it comes to what could make it easier on a pilot it's all about the letter of the law. I would monitor the open time for your domicle and anything that starts with a DH you could APU and then deviate the DH. As far as the domicile where you live, watch the trips that remain unassigned after about 1pm. Those they are having difficulty in assigning they'll start breaking them up to them for easier lineholder straight pickup. Try calling for an APU around that time.

I'm just a line pilot, but I have heartburn about this. If they can't cover a trip by in-base reserves, there's a way for them to cover the trip via the UPA. Maybe that deadheading from another base is enough to put a reserve over guarantee for the month? Or, maybe the company is perpetually understaffed in the base and really should post a vacancy bid for new pilots in the base? By you picking up trips in your home airport, you're denying both of those things from happening even though it helps you personally.

I have no problem with this line of thinking....I actually agree with it. However, if out of domicile coverage is allowed per the contract then they should let people do it. If it is not, then they should not allow it. My question was does the contract allow it or not.