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SVA402 10-17-2014 08:10 AM

SEA Base Future
 
Read today that the SEA flight attendant base is closing. With the previous closure of the SEA 777 pilot base, what is expected to happen with the 757/767 base there? I know it's small, will it be converted to an airplane that transits SEA more or will they just close it?

CRM114 10-17-2014 08:14 AM

Under the UPA, SEAFO is required to stay open until Dec. 2014. After that you can guess what happens to a single-fleet domicile with less than 10 lines of flying. My guess is that UAL won't be able to give Delta gates fast enough.

catIIIc 10-17-2014 10:35 AM

The SSC did recomend a Sea 737 base. The research showed that Sea could support around 40-50 737 pilots. Now we will see what the company does with that.

Monkeyfly 10-17-2014 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by catIIIc (Post 1748191)
The SSC did recomend a Sea 737 base. The research showed that Sea could support around 40-50 737 pilots. Now we will see what the company does with that.

SFO/SEA chief pilot has advocated this as well.

Hmmm... what will they do with information that makes sense and makes pilots happy?:rolleyes:

CRM114 10-17-2014 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by catIIIc (Post 1748191)
The SSC did recomend a Sea 737 base. The research showed that Sea could support around 40-50 737 pilots. Now we will see what the company does with that.

Not only that, but the lines also had zero slop in them - credit=block, a win for the company. That's why you won't see a SEA 737, it makes sense.

unitedflyier 10-17-2014 02:28 PM

How about a base back in FL again. Lots of us are waiting for that.

UAL T38 Phlyer 10-17-2014 03:24 PM

There are rumors of a new FL base.....(ie, not MIA)

intrepidcv11 10-17-2014 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 1748353)
There are rumors of a new FL base.....(ie, not MIA)

There are ALWAYS rumors of the pending TPA-MCO co terminal base.

Flyguppy 10-17-2014 07:58 PM

Based on what i heard this week at charm school, it won't surprise me to see it close soon.

VP of Revenue talking points were......

We don't think its a battle we can win with delta and Alaska there. And even if we do win, what do we get? A redundancy to our SFO hub. Delta only doing it because they have no west coast hub and it's tough for them $$ wise. Can only afford to do it because of the $$ they make out of ATL. We would rather spend our efforts on building SFO.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

Then today, an overheard comment started a rumor having something to with us and Alaska. NO idea whatsoever as to the validity or scope of that comment........just that it was overheard.

pilot64golfer 10-17-2014 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by Flyguppy (Post 1748538)
Then today, an overheard comment started a rumor having something to with us and Alaska. NO idea whatsoever as to the validity or scope of that comment........just that it was overheard.

Probably never happen. Can't see it getting approved. But if it does I hope we adopt all of their IT.

Hilltopper89 10-17-2014 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1748547)
Probably never happen. Can't see it getting approved. But if it does I hope we adopt all of their IT.

As long as they're all stapled below....;)

CRM114 10-17-2014 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by Flyguppy (Post 1748538)

Then today, an overheard comment started a rumor having something to with us and Alaska. NO idea whatsoever as to the validity or scope of that comment........just that it was overheard.

Given UAL's stellar track record of merging airlines, I'd never wish that on the fine men and women at Alaska airlines. BTW, I found this video compilation of every EVP/CEO level dog and pony show I've ever attended at HQ, the glad-handing never seems to stop.


pilot64golfer 10-18-2014 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Hilltopper89 (Post 1748549)
As long as they're all stapled below....;)

Never happen. I can forsee Alaska Airlines SLI presentation now.

1) Captains to be merged with Captains.
2) Jumbo doesn't appear in ALPA merger policy. "Pilot" is status and "airline" is category.
3) Pilots only want to fly 737s. (That's all Alaska has)
4) UAL is overstaffed because of all the bases, so we have "extra" pilots.
5) Pilots don't want to be trapped in Rome in a hotel room. They'd rather be trapped in Nome, in a hotel room.
6) "1-for-1" proposal, effectively stapling the bottom 11,000 UAL pilots to the bottom (Since Alaska only has 1,500 pilots) putting a CAL/UAL 1985 hire below their most recently hired pilot.

Either that or they would want 100% DOH.

unitedflyier 10-18-2014 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by intrepidcv11 (Post 1748358)
There are ALWAYS rumors of the pending TPA-MCO co terminal base.

True just like a LAS base. Been there for over 10 years. But a FL base would make a lot of pilot happy. I guess that is why it won't happen.

Grumble 10-18-2014 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1748773)
Never happen. I can forsee Alaska Airlines SLI presentation now.

1) Captains to be merged with Captains.
2) Jumbo doesn't appear in ALPA merger policy. "Pilot" is status and "airline" is category.
3) Pilots only want to fly 737s. (That's all Alaska has)
4) UAL is overstaffed because of all the bases, so we have "extra" pilots.
5) Pilots don't want to be trapped in Rome in a hotel room. They'd rather be trapped in Nome, in a hotel room.
6) "1-for-1" proposal, effectively stapling the bottom 11,000 UAL pilots to the bottom (Since Alaska only has 1,500 pilots) putting a CAL/UAL 1985 hire below their most recently hired pilot.

Either that or they would want 100% DOH.

Just fence off every airplane but the 737 for X years.

pilot64golfer 10-18-2014 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 1748858)
Just fence off every airplane but the 737 for X years.

As long as X is 15 or greater I'm good with that.

SOTeric 10-18-2014 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by Hilltopper89 (Post 1748549)
As long as they're all stapled below....;)

Ha. Won't happen but if it did, you'd hear just as much crying coming from their camp as we do ours.

gettinbumped 10-19-2014 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1748773)
Never happen. I can forsee Alaska Airlines SLI presentation now.

1) Captains to be merged with Captains.
2) Jumbo doesn't appear in ALPA merger policy. "Pilot" is status and "airline" is category.
3) Pilots only want to fly 737s. (That's all Alaska has)
4) UAL is overstaffed because of all the bases, so we have "extra" pilots.
5) Pilots don't want to be trapped in Rome in a hotel room. They'd rather be trapped in Nome, in a hotel room.
6) "1-for-1" proposal, effectively stapling the bottom 11,000 UAL pilots to the bottom (Since Alaska only has 1,500 pilots) putting a CAL/UAL 1985 hire below their most recently hired pilot.

Either that or they would want 100% DOH.

So essentially the same as the LCAL proposal.... =). Sorry, I couldn't resist

jsled 10-21-2014 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1748773)
Never happen. I can forsee Alaska Airlines SLI presentation now.

1) Captains to be merged with Captains.
2) Jumbo doesn't appear in ALPA merger policy. "Pilot" is status and "airline" is category.
3) Pilots only want to fly 737s. (That's all Alaska has)
4) UAL is overstaffed because of all the bases, so we have "extra" pilots.
5) Pilots don't want to be trapped in Rome in a hotel room. They'd rather be trapped in Nome, in a hotel room.
6) "1-for-1" proposal, effectively stapling the bottom 11,000 UAL pilots to the bottom (Since Alaska only has 1,500 pilots) putting a CAL/UAL 1985 hire below their most recently hired pilot.

Either that or they would want 100% DOH.


C'mon man, you know the arbs. would laugh and throw that out.....oh wait, I see what you did there. ;)

Freddriver5 10-23-2014 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1748773)
Never happen. I can forsee Alaska Airlines SLI presentation now.

1) Captains to be merged with Captains.
2) Jumbo doesn't appear in ALPA merger policy. "Pilot" is status and "airline" is category.
3) Pilots only want to fly 737s. (That's all Alaska has)
4) UAL is overstaffed because of all the bases, so we have "extra" pilots.
5) Pilots don't want to be trapped in Rome in a hotel room. They'd rather be trapped in Nome, in a hotel room.
6) "1-for-1" proposal, effectively stapling the bottom 11,000 UAL pilots to the bottom (Since Alaska only has 1,500 pilots) putting a CAL/UAL 1985 hire below their most recently hired pilot.

Either that or they would want 100% DOH.

Rome...Nome...

THAT right there is classic. Nice job with the linkages to other absurd proposals!

Fresh 11-01-2014 06:28 PM

From Howard's latest update...

October 31, 2014
SEA base closure
We have made the difficult decision to close our Seattle domicile, anticipated in March 2015. Changes in our operations, flight schedule and fleet renewal have required us to force flying into SEA for some time. As we work to put our pilots in the right places, we worked through the NPDM process as outlined in the UPA to consider this change. After very careful analysis, we concluded that it simply does not make economic sense to continue to maintain the SEA flight base.
This closure will be included in Round 5 of our base rebalancing work, which will be a displacement bid. We expect to open that bid next week and will release more details about other rebalancing work prior to the bid opening, but I wanted to make sure you had the latest information as soon as possible.

awax 11-02-2014 08:53 AM

Wow, who saw that coming? ��

awax 11-02-2014 09:04 AM

if you're a Seattle commuter life just got a bit crappier, the flight attendants are all going to SFO and are senior to most, plus another 40 pilots into the scrum. Summer should be fun.

Airhoss 11-02-2014 09:44 AM

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...psebea9ef3.jpg

UCH base realignment plan....The truth of the matter.

awax 11-02-2014 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1757225)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...psebea9ef3.jpg

UCH base realignment plan....The truth of the matter.

Yes, because to be UCH pilot base the airport must be near a coastal toxic waste dump, or a rust belt city with lots of debt and route duplication.

Fresh 11-02-2014 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 1757264)
Yes, because to be UCH pilot base the airport must be near a coastal toxic waste dump, or a rust belt city with lots of debt and route duplication.

Who wants to be based in a desirable city?? :rolleyes:

svergin 11-02-2014 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by Fresh (Post 1757344)
Who wants to be based in a desirable city?? :rolleyes:

Pretty soon we will only have pilot bases in EWR, CLE, IAH, and GUM.

coorsFlight 11-02-2014 02:32 PM

How many pilots are based in SEA currently?

jsled 11-02-2014 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by coorsFlight (Post 1757376)
How many pilots are based in SEA currently?

Alpa SSC report for Sept shows 38 pilots. All on the 76T

jsled 11-02-2014 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by Fresh (Post 1757001)
From Howard's latest update...

October 31, 2014
SEA base closure
We have made the difficult decision to close our Seattle domicile, anticipated in March 2015. Changes in our operations, flight schedule and fleet renewal have required us to force flying into SEA for some time. As we work to put our pilots in the right places, we worked through the NPDM process as outlined in the UPA to consider this change. After very careful analysis, we concluded that it simply does not make economic sense to continue to maintain the SEA flight base.
This closure will be included in Round 5 of our base rebalancing work, which will be a displacement bid. We expect to open that bid next week and will release more details about other rebalancing work prior to the bid opening, but I wanted to make sure you had the latest information as soon as possible.

Oh, uh, there will be no displacements, just vacancies and attrition. So we got that going for us, which is nice. ;)


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