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hangingon 02-12-2015 08:01 PM

Hired december 2013. Did not start until August 2014. No job fair. No meet and greet.
9500 TT
6000 PIC
Two types
RJ 121
Good luck

BMan69 02-12-2015 08:31 PM

Job fair or not...
 
I never was able to do a job fair..big family, kids, etc...but had M&G with Chief a year ago, several internal recs including United Check airman..got email/Hogan just b4 Christmas, interviewed a month later, Job offer last week..April class most likely. I didn't do any formal interview prep..just studied the gouge, knew my TMAAT stories.
If you speak well, are likeable, and aren't full of crap..you'll do well in interview. I did use FTI Denver..I'd recommend it, but pricey/worth it.

eagledriver122 02-13-2015 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by priorwhat (Post 1822881)
well, I think I want to attend the conference in dallas also. Do we need to bring anything other than the resume, such as flight records and all that good stuff?

To weigh in on the mil vs civ debate, I've got heavy time and single seat time still no call with close to 3000 hrs so I say it's a crap shoot.


Same boat except all single seat time and just short of 3000, starting indoc next month. I attended 2 united job fairs and waited about 13 months for the call to interview. I think the job fairs helped.


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wankel7 02-14-2015 01:05 PM

Thinking about the OBAP in April But it is hard to commit when no Majors have committed to it.

FAPA has one the day before at the same location but no Majors signed up.

I learned about the WIA today. It seems like you can't learn about available time slots unless you sign up though.

LibertyPilot 02-14-2015 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by wankel7 (Post 1825670)
Thinking about the OBAP in April But it is hard to commit when no Majors have committed to it.

FAPA has one the day before at the same location but no Majors signed up.

I learned about the WIA today. It seems like you can't learn about available time slots unless you sign up though.

everyone has available slots except for American, I would sign up ASAP if you are going just in case.

AeroCrewSolut 02-14-2015 08:27 PM

You do not have to attend a job fair in order to get hired at United. It does help your chances though to attend one. When we hosted our job fair in SFO the United recruiter told me that if a candidate was a "rock star" they would be called in for an interview. United wanted to grab the best candidates possible before another airline had the chance.

My advice for those attending the Women In Aviation conference is the following:

Show up prepared. This was the biggest gripe from the recruiters. People are not showing up prepared to tell their story. You spend hours and hours preparing for a checkride you need to spend hours and hours preparing for your one on one with the recruiter. Know things about yourself, why United, why should they hire you (as a person and a pilot), show who you are and how it matches the company culture at United.

Dress like you are going to an interview. Do not wear business casual or wear your pilot uniform.

Make sure your resume looks sharp and is printed on resume paper, not copier paper. Check to make sure you are handing the United recruiter your United resume and not your Delta resume. (If you are going to meet with Delta it must say "Delta Air Lines", 3 words, not Delta Airlines. Your resume will go in a different pilot if spelled with two words).

The most important thing to bring to the conference is a positive attitude. The days are going to be long and grueling. I am expecting over 5K attendees this year. The recruiters know you can fly an airplane. Prove to them why you belong at their company.

If anybody has a question about United or the WIA conference please send us a PM or email. Stop by our booth at the conference. It is located next to United Airlines and we will be raffling off a free interview prep every day. We will also be offering free resume critiques and career consulting. Good luck to everyone!

fishforfun 02-14-2015 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by AeroCrewSolut (Post 1825812)
You do not have to attend a job fair in order to get hired at United. It does help your chances though to attend one. When we hosted our job fair in SFO the United recruiter told me that if a candidate was a "rock star" they would be called in for an interview. United wanted to grab the best candidates possible before another airline had the chance.

My advice for those attending the Women In Aviation conference is the following:

Show up prepared. This was the biggest gripe from the recruiters. People are not showing up prepared to tell their story. You spend hours and hours preparing for a checkride you need to spend hours and hours preparing for your one on one with the recruiter. Know things about yourself, why United, why should they hire you (as a person and a pilot), show who you are and how it matches the company culture at United.

Dress like you are going to an interview. Do not wear business casual or wear your pilot uniform.

Make sure your resume looks sharp and is printed on resume paper, not copier paper. Check to make sure you are handing the United recruiter your United resume and not your Delta resume. (If you are going to meet with Delta it must say "Delta Air Lines", 3 words, not Delta Airlines. Your resume will go in a different pilot if spelled with two words).

The most important thing to bring to the conference is a positive attitude. The days are going to be long and grueling. I am expecting over 5K attendees this year. The recruiters know you can fly an airplane. Prove to them why you belong at their company.

If anybody has a question about United or the WIA conference please send us a PM or email. Stop by our booth at the conference. It is located next to United Airlines and we will be raffling off a free interview prep every day. We will also be offering free resume critiques and career consulting. Good luck to everyone!

I'm thinking if you put you are a member of "WIA" on your resume it will end up in the same pile as the "Delta Airlines" resumes. Unless you were actually Wounded In Action, or you are discussing the Workforce Investment Act.

Details matter people, ALL details.

AeroCrewSolut 02-14-2015 09:16 PM

When I stated WIA in my last post it meant Women in Aviation. If you are going to state on your resume that you are a member, the correct term is Women in Aviation, International. Details do matter.

RV5M 02-15-2015 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by AeroCrewSolut (Post 1825832)
When I stated WIA in my last post it meant Women in Aviation. If you are going to state on your resume that you are a member, the correct term is Women in Aviation, International. Details do matter.


They mean it's WAI, not "WIA", when abbreviating.


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Learflyer 02-15-2015 04:37 AM

Dang what a PITA it is to get a good job with a major nowadays. Multiple threads with tens of thousands of posts. The applications take hours and need the precision of a surgeon. Have to spend time off going to job fairs sponsored by different factions of our society. At said job fair you are too late to get in line even if you arrive at 0400, Delta likes "Air Lines" while United likes "Airlines." Spend years without PIC turbine and finally getting it in my forties and now it's not necessary anymore.
Holy Shmeer. Just an old guy complainin.'

Shrek 02-15-2015 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Learflyer (Post 1825874)
Dang what a PITA it is to get a good job with a major nowadays. Multiple threads with tens of thousands of posts. The applications take hours and need the precision of a surgeon. Have to spend time off going to job fairs sponsored by different factions of our society. At said job fair you are too late to get in line even if you arrive at 0400, Delta likes "Air Lines" while United likes "Airlines." Spend years without PIC turbine and finally getting it in my forties and now it's not necessary anymore.
Holy Shmeer. Just an old guy complainin.'

If it's not worth it - don't apply.

Try being furloughed twice ......once was enough for me but I already had a UAL seniority number so it worked out.

Not a lot of sympathy out there for your "I am over 40 and I am not at a major - whoah is me BS. "
Keep plugging away until you are called or give up - those are the only two choices.

Learflyer 02-15-2015 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Shrek (Post 1826084)
If it's not worth it - don't apply.

Try being furloughed twice ......once was enough for me but I already had a UAL seniority number so it worked out.

Not a lot of sympathy out there for your "I am over 40 and I am not at a major - whoah is me BS. "
Keep plugging away until you are called or give up - those are the only two choices.

What. I can't have an opinion? ;);)

Oh. I've been furloughed twice as well.

DrunkIrishman 02-15-2015 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by LibertyPilot (Post 1825801)
everyone has available slots except for American, I would sign up ASAP if you are going just in case.

Are you referring to the "Fast Pass" for AA? Having never been to a WAI conference, I was under the impression that I was going to be standing in the line forever but I would still get there. Is that incorrect?

LibertyPilot 02-15-2015 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by DrunkIrishman (Post 1826236)
Are you referring to the "Fast Pass" for AA? Having never been to a WAI conference, I was under the impression that I was going to be standing in the line forever but I would still get there. Is that incorrect?

I was referring to the "fast pass".... With regards to visiting with other recruiters I am not sure, but I think you can wait in line.....I am planning on waiting for American if I can. I do have guaranteed times with United, Delta, and Alaska. Everyone still has slot times available with the exception of American.

Hilltopper89 02-15-2015 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by LibertyPilot (Post 1826250)
I was referring to the "fast pass".... With regards to visiting with other recruiters I am not sure, but I think you can wait in line.....I am planning on waiting for American if I can. I do have guaranteed times with United, Delta, and Alaska. Everyone still has slot times available with the exception of American.

God, this sounds awful. Never went to a job fair, paid a dime, or waited for anybody to gush over me. Is this seriously what happens?

LibertyPilot 02-15-2015 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by Hilltopper89 (Post 1826331)
God, this sounds awful. Never went to a job fair, paid a dime, or waited for anybody to gush over me. Is this seriously what happens?

Coming from corporate it is SOP for a guy like me. Especially with the 121 Legacy carriers, we really have to sell ourselves because we make up such a small part of the pilots given opportunities to be interviewed.

priorwhat 02-16-2015 06:46 AM

LibertyPilot, where do you go to sign up for times?

LibertyPilot 02-16-2015 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by priorwhat (Post 1826483)
LibertyPilot, where do you go to sign up for times?

https://www.wai.org/15conference/index.cfm

You have to obtain a membership and sign up for the conference to get the fast pass times.

priorwhat 02-16-2015 07:10 AM

done I'll see you there maybe

LibertyPilot 02-16-2015 08:54 AM

Just got off the phone with WAI.....if you don't have an appointed slot time you cannot speak to a recruiter. I was told there is no waiting around....those who plan on going should get signed up ASAP.

john lennon 02-16-2015 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by LibertyPilot (Post 1826557)
Just got off the phone with WAI.....if you don't have an appointed slot time you cannot speak to a recruiter. I was told there is no waiting around....those who plan on going should get signed up ASAP.

So do you have to pay the $470 to sign up for the event before finding out which airlines have available slots?

LibertyPilot 02-16-2015 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by john lennon (Post 1826568)
So do you have to pay the $470 to sign up for the event before finding out which airlines have available slots?

Yes, but if you go one day it's only $200+, but then you only get two slots. You get three slots if you pay the $465.....All airlines have available slots as of 30 min ago, except AA as they have no slots remaining.

Don't shoot the messenger, this is just what I heard.....my guess is there will be a lot of confusion and people will be waiting in line hangry...

priorwhat 02-16-2015 10:04 AM

I just signed up for one day so about 250 for the one day with the 2 slots

priorwhat 02-16-2015 10:05 AM

In addition, I called to ask and if you don't do the fast pass you don't get seen by HR. Also there are plenty of spots left for United and Delta on Saturday.

pilotgolfer 02-16-2015 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by LibertyPilot (Post 1826573)
Yes, but if you go one day it's only $200+, but then you only get two slots. You get three slots if you pay the $465.....All airlines have available slots as of 30 min ago, except AA as they have no slots remaining.

Don't shoot the messenger, this is just what I heard.....my guess is there will be a lot of confusion and people will be waiting in line hangry...

Who is getting the money and what is their affiliation with the airline?

priorwhat 02-16-2015 10:38 AM

women in aviation get the money since it is their conference, the relationship is the airlines send hr to the conference.

john lennon 02-16-2015 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by priorwhat (Post 1826592)
In addition, I called to ask and if you don't do the fast pass you don't get seen by HR. Also there are plenty of spots left for United and Delta on Saturday.

If you don't get seen by HR, who do you see? I also got a one-day pass for Delta and United, but just curious how this whole thing really works. Can I stand in line for other airlines once I'm done with the 2 above?

baseball 02-16-2015 03:53 PM

You pay money to go to a job fair?

That sounds Hokey to me.

It is a pilots market right now. Perspective employers should be paying money for pilots to attend. The women in aviation group can sponsor whatever they want to sponsor I guess. Seems like a money grab to me. If the money went to a children's cancer research center or some other really worthwhile charity I might think otherwise. 250 to 400 a pop, times how many people?? That's allot of dough.

LibertyPilot 02-16-2015 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 1826742)
You pay money to go to a job fair?

That sounds Hokey to me.

It is a pilots market right now. Perspective employers should be paying money for pilots to attend. The women in aviation group can sponsor whatever they want to sponsor I guess. Seems like a money grab to me. If the money went to a children's cancer research center or some other really worthwhile charity I might think otherwise. 250 to 400 a pop, times how many people?? That's allot of dough.

If your military it seems that you don't need to do this, If your 121 regional maybe if you think you are a little low on time, guys like me who fly 91/135 this is a must as it appears our flying experience equates to useless experience, and we have to do everything we can to show why we would be a great addition. If I was in charge I would hire 1/3 military, 1/3 121 regional/low cost, 1/3 corporate, this way you have a healthy mix..... I am frustrated but it is what it is.

One the other hand when corporate hiring is the only gig in town it is very hard for military or airline guys to get hired. In my opinion that will change soon as the majors collect all the top talent in the military, regional, and the corporate pool of pilots.

DrunkIrishman 02-17-2015 05:38 PM

DAL will probably have slots since they hand out a card to everyone saying you don't get anything from meeting them at a job fair.

wankel7 02-17-2015 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 1826742)
That's allot of dough.

So is a career at a Major.


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