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SurfnFlyer 02-07-2015 12:09 PM

Tax Question: Training in CO
 
I live in IL and UAL deducted CO taxes, presumably for the period in which I was at TK for initial training.
They have CO state wages at $195.30, and Denver local wages at $22,416.28 (the entirety of my 2014 UAL gross income). Is this disparity correct? I've been EWR-based since October and have paid no New Jersey SDI or tax.
Do I need to file a state return in CO?

krudawg 02-07-2015 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by SurfnFlyer (Post 1821260)
I live in IL and UAL deducted CO taxes, presumably for the period in which I was at TK for initial training.
They have CO state wages at $195.30, and Denver local wages at $22,416.28 (the entirety of my 2014 UAL gross income). Is this disparity correct? I've been EWR-based since October and have paid no New Jersey SDI or tax.
Do I need to file a state return in CO?

Have you contacted HR. I'm no tax person but it sounds like maybe your W4 was marked improperly. When I go to upgrade training my state tax does not change

Macdacpilot 02-07-2015 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by SurfnFlyer (Post 1821260)
I live in IL and UAL deducted CO taxes, presumably for the period in which I was at TK for initial training.
They have CO state wages at $195.30, and Denver local wages at $22,416.28 (the entirety of my 2014 UAL gross income). Is this disparity correct? I've been EWR-based since October and have paid no New Jersey SDI or tax.
Do I need to file a state return in CO?

They just did that to me too. Contact payroll and they will fix it. It is supposed to be where you live, so IL if they have income tax. (this was confirmed by the lady at payroll) I think you are supposed to pay that NJ SDI though if you are EWR based. The contact info should be on FlyingTogether.

Blockoutblockin 02-07-2015 05:55 PM

Once again middle mgt demonstrates how ridiculously inept they are. Over and over and over ad nauseam!!!

SurfnFlyer 02-08-2015 12:59 PM

Thought it sounded fishy. Turbotax was saying I didn't owe anything to CO while another service was saying I was $5,000 in the hole!
I'll contact HR during business hours and keep folks posted. I can't be the only FNG dealing with this.

Rolan75 02-08-2015 03:24 PM

I have the same issue. I noticed after a few paychecks that I was getting taxed in CO and called Payroll to have it changed some time back in October. (August new hire here). It never occurred to me that it would reflect that way on my W-2 and thought they would take care of the change retroactively as well. I live in IL and have the entire time. My W-2 shows half of my income in CO the other in IL. I will be making calls tomorrow with regards to this as well. No reason why I should be filing for CO State income tax.

Airhoss 02-09-2015 04:06 AM

Welcome to the new UAL.......

Lambourne 02-09-2015 06:04 AM

Seems like I recall something about taxes and flight crews for Colorado. In the old days you were officially based at DFN (flight ops new hire student pilot ) or some code like that until you were released to the line. Once you completed training you became based where ever your bid was located. This only affected new hires as transition pilots were not based at TK during training. Perhaps this is the state tax you pay while officially based on CO and you can file to get some of that returned if you live out of state.

My memory is fuzzy on this as I thought it was something that popped up in the late 90's. I recall there being ALPA updates regarding this back then but since it didn't affect me I didn't follow it too closely.

sailingfun 02-09-2015 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 1822107)
Seems like I recall something about taxes and flight crews for Colorado. In the old days you were officially based at DFN (flight ops new hire student pilot ) or some code like that until you were released to the line. Once you completed training you became based where ever your bid was located. This only affected new hires as transition pilots were not based at TK during training. Perhaps this is the state tax you pay while officially based on CO and you can file to get some of that returned if you live out of state.

My memory is fuzzy on this as I thought it was something that popped up in the late 90's. I recall there being ALPA updates regarding this back then but since it didn't affect me I didn't follow it too closely.

Your memory is correct. It works the same for Delta in GA. If you are based in CO and do your training there you owe income tax on that income to CO unless you can show you did 51% of the training out of state.
As a line pilot you are not taxed based on domicle because you don't do the majority of your work in one state. Federal law further clarifies that transportation workers will be taxed based on their residence unless it can be determined that 51% of their flying is in one state. I had a friend at UAL who had to pay CA income tax because at the time the United shuttle schedules had him doing a majority of his flying in the state despite the fact he lived in WA.
The same thing applies if you are a sim instructor. Delta had a bunch of instructors living in FLORIDA nailed for GA income tax because more then 51% of their work was being done in GA. State taxes are income taxes not residence taxes. Professional Atheletes have to file tax returns in every state they play in. We are fortunate to have the federal law that allows us to fall back on state of residence when flying the line.

LivinTheDream28 02-09-2015 07:20 AM

Ok, so if I was a new hire last year, based in Jersey and commute from another state, does this mean I have to fill out state tax forms in all three states?

SurfnFlyer 02-09-2015 07:57 AM

Today's (non) answer from HR:
Said time period discrepancy for being based in CO is incorrect, has to “send it upstairs” and will contact me w/ more info.
I'm guessing they'll have to revise my W2.

joepilot 02-16-2015 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by LivinTheDream28 (Post 1822184)
Ok, so if I was a new hire last year, based in Jersey and commute from another state, does this mean I have to fill out state tax forms in all three states?

Only for your state of residence, unless UA screwed up and withheld for more than one state. The state will not return money to UA, so you would have to file a non-resident return to get the improperly withheld money back. Check your monthly pay for actual withholding, don't just rely on your possibly mistaken UA W-2

Joe

horrido27 02-16-2015 06:41 PM

Anyone know (or notice) if there was a mistake in the amount of Fed Tax withheld on the Mid Month Paycheck [ie.. paycheck that we got on Friday (13Feb2015)?

Hearing that they accidentally put the same tax withholding's percentage that was associated with our Profit Sharing into our mid month pay.

Looking at my paystub, it seems that the FedTax was a bit higher than usual.

Motch

pilot64golfer 02-16-2015 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1826840)
Anyone know (or notice) if there was a mistake in the amount of Fed Tax withheld on the Mid Month Paycheck [ie.. paycheck that we got on Friday (13Feb2015)?

Hearing that they accidentally put the same tax withholding's percentage that was associated with our Profit Sharing into our mid month pay.

Looking at my paystub, it seems that the FedTax was a bit higher than usual.

Motch

That doesn't sound right. They only take a portion of that paycheck, and not the profit sharing one. Plus if they did, it would get reconciled at the end of the year when you file your taxes.

horrido27 02-16-2015 07:17 PM

Not sure what you mean by "they only take a portion of that paycheck"

Believe that everyone got 2 paychecks on Friday (13th). One was for PS, the other was for mid month.
Was told that the PS paycheck should/would have a different percentage of tax withholding yet searching the internet, have not found that to be clear cut.

Figured someone on here might know.. just wondering~

Motch

pilot64golfer 02-16-2015 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1826856)
Not sure what you mean by "they only take a portion of that paycheck"

Believe that everyone got 2 paychecks on Friday (13th). One was for PS, the other was for mid month.
Was told that the PS paycheck should/would have a different percentage of tax withholding yet searching the internet, have not found that to be clear cut.

Figured someone on here might know.. just wondering~

Motch

Well I didn't have PS taxes taken out twice as you suggest. Mine was fine. It was the normal amount withheld.

LivinTheDream28 02-16-2015 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by joepilot (Post 1826683)
Only for your state of residence, unless UA screwed up and withheld for more than one state. The state will not return money to UA, so you would have to file a non-resident return to get the improperly withheld money back. Check your monthly pay for actual withholding, don't just rely on your possibly mistaken UA W-2

Joe

Well as a New York guy I pay those NJ disibility taxes every month, but I suppose that's not the same thing? (I live in OH, those taxes were also withheld).

SurfnFlyer 04-11-2015 01:10 PM

In conclusion, I was contacted by Payroll on April 9th (6 days before tax filing deadline) and informed my W2 was corrected and adjustments to 2014 witholdings would be made on the April 16th check. Now to file those taxes...


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