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Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 1827311)

I wonder if those LUA Captains were new to the Guppy?

Volumes have been written about just how crappy the transition course is. It's been overwhelmingly negative. I say, if they're new to the plane, cut them some slack and offer some productive input. Instead, you're talking trash and polishing your LCA creds here on a public forum. I find that nauseating and in very poor taste.

Totally. You can't send someone through terrible training then complain they don't fly like 3,000 hour pilots.

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Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp05 (Post 1825900)

Sad, but true. I seriously felt like I've been giving IOE on 3 of my last 4 trips. Ironically, 2 of those were with former LUAL Captains. Both pilots were extremely nice people, but we're grossly incompetent pilots. Hopefully, it's was just an anomaly.

Mitch...I don't get it. You are a junior captain in EWR. Do I understand you correctly that you've recently had FOs that were previously captains at LUAL? Something doesn't add up.

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Originally Posted by XHooker (Post 1826944)

While hiring shouldn't be done by pilots with access moving their buds to the top of the pile (full disclosure... that's how I... and I'd imagine many others here we're hired) there's no substitute for strong recommendations from people who have actually worked with a pilot. What HR has done is provide what they profess to be a scientific process (Hogan test... AYKM?) when actually there is no substitute for long term observance in the very position we're hiring for. The interview should just be to verify we want to hire someone who has already proven, through recommendations and resume, they are the right person for the job and the Hogan needs to go.

I agree, it's not apples to apples, 121 flying is different and the learning curve will be steep for months, but telling someone who was selected and succeeded through a much more intensive and thorough process than that of the airlines they need to go jerk gear on an RJ for seasoning after having just served their country for a decade seems kind of silly to me when fighters to airlines was the norm for decades.

for non-military readers some fyi. the eagle and viper drivers were the top two or three pilots in their classes of thirty. most professions (law, finance, medicine, science) seek top graduates. why wouldn't employers of pilots seek to hire the top of the class as well ?

I would be curious to see results of the Hogan test administered to pilots already on UAL property. How many of us would not fit HR's criteria?

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...-c5IAjshZ0te3Q

"Is this your Hogan Larry? Is THIS your Hogan Larry!?!"

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Originally Posted by C-17 Driver (Post 1827404)

I would be curious to see results of the Hogan test administered to pilots already on UAL property. How many of us would not fit HR's criteria?

I know I wouldn't want to bet my career on it.

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Originally Posted by cal73 (Post 1827316)

Have to agree with this. New to the plane is new to the plane. You could have 3000 hours in the sr-71 and 4000 hrs in the space shuttle and still need a little help learning a new jet. Don't be a **** in the cockpit.

According to the Navy, the most dangerous pilots are low time pilots (duh). The second most dangerous pilots are high total time, low time in type.

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Originally Posted by XHooker (Post 1827478)

According to the Navy, the most dangerous pilots are low time pilots (duh). The second most dangerous pilots are high total time, low time in type.

Truth.

The most dangerous I ever felt in an airplane was the first couple flights in the E-2. 3000+ total, zero in type.

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Originally Posted by XHooker (Post 1827478)

According to the Navy, the most dangerous pilots are low time pilots (duh). The second most dangerous pilots are high total time, low time in type.

Yep. They try to operate the plane like they did their old equipment. The first time I flew a T-2 as an instructor I almost blew the canopy off because the Canopy jettison handle is exactly where the parking brake was on an A-6. Shaped the same and pull the same way.

Most of the time habits are good. But sometimes the opposite is true.

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Originally Posted by C-17 Driver (Post 1827404)

I would be curious to see results of the Hogan test administered to pilots already on UAL property. How many of us would not fit HR's criteria?

LOL..
Was wondering that also.
HR has a place in the hiring process.. but why not have that HR person also be a pilot? Out of 12000 pilots, there are probably a handful who have degrees that would fit the HR build.
As far as the "Hogan Test"... I'll just think back to the Delta Psych who ended up offing himself.

I've "heard" that some of the guys that have failed the Hogan Test are guys with good military backgrounds. Makes you wonder about that. And how many Commuter pilots have failed it yet continue to move "United" passengers on their Express flight?
Any FFDO's fail it?

It would be funny to let current hires take the test to see how we fit in.. then again, it would probably scare the $hi+ out of HR!

Motch

PS> Would also be funny to see HR and those who decided to implement the Hogan test, take the test themselves!