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Originally Posted by Flybynight42
(Post 1827308)
Devil's Advocate: Aren't there 3 legacy carriers that have 10,000 applicants to divvy up, each wanting to hire several hundred a year? With several hundred retiring each year? Oh, plus SWA, Jet Blue, Spirit, Frontier, the fractionals and foreign carriers?
Yes and NO Remember, that most applicants apply to multiple airlines. When they get hired they may or may not be revoking their application at other airlines. Each airline could have 13,000 applications, but it is a safe assumption that the same 13,000 (plus or minus) that applied at UAL, also applied at DAL, etc, etc. |
^^+10-13,000.
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Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 1829924)
Yes and NO
Remember, that most applicants apply to multiple airlines. When they get hired they may or may not be revoking their application at other airlines. Each airline could have 13,000 applications, but it is a safe assumption that the same 13,000 (plus or minus) that applied at UAL, also applied at DAL, etc, etc. |
Originally Posted by krudawg
(Post 1829939)
My guess is at some point in the near future there will be a pilot shortage - the ATP rule for one and the extreme cost for a civilian to get the training. There will always be a steady supply of highly qualified military pilots but at some point, that supply will be inadequate either because the military might increase commitments or there will be wars and they won't be leaving the service. The airlines will turn to the FAA and ask for relief on the ATP rule and thus open up the pipeline from the bottom up (Regionals to Majors).
But United doesn't have a pilot shortage. This video explains exactly how many pilots there are out there and how many jobs they are competing for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHKanuyeawc |
FWIW, my impression on the first year pay raise rumor was that it's kind of a stop-gap measure to stay relevant in attracting talent. Yes, we all realize there are 10k+ apps out there, but maybe it's the top 5% of those that all the legacies want (or at least want to have the option to hire).
Delta and American have made improvements in their respective contracts, and although United's contract isn't inferior yet, I think lagging behind in profits and remnants of the merger stagnation make it a tough call for the top prospects applying to all three legacies. This effectively would be a way of sweetening the pot without a full blown contract negotiation (especially if in a few years management isn't keen on negotiating quickly). Purely a theory though |
Originally Posted by cal73
(Post 1829850)
But what would we do with all the money we saved doing that?
Shut down your APU and do not question Sabre. |
Originally Posted by Andy
(Post 1827341)
United needs to double the number of pilots hired. 700/year isn't enough.
We are rapidly approaching a point where regional flying will be completely unreliable due to their manning issues. Time to replace 2 RJs with one mainline NB. But I don't expect increased hiring to dwindle the list of qualified pilots much because there will be plenty of new applications. And I'm willing to bet that 10,000 is a very low estimate of current applications on file. Edit: I just noticed that Endeavor Air and SkyWest are advertising on this website for FOs with signing bonuses. Sweet. That should accelerate the retirement of RJs. |
Originally Posted by Macdacpilot
(Post 1831891)
Correct, it's closer to 13,000 applications on file now. That's straight from management at DENTK last December.
But despite having hired 1,000 off the street in the last few years, plus removing another 400 by interviewing and not hiring them, the number of applicants has grown. There may be an "overall" pilot shortage at some point in the future, but it won't affect United's hiring. Like the video explained, there are more than enough pilots, just not enough to fly for $18,000 a year starting pay. I don't blame them, they are certainly worth more than that. There are 4 true majors. United, American, Delta, and SWA. Those 4 are the ones everyone is trying to get to. Yes there are other good airline jobs, but these are really the ones at the top of the list for most pilots out there. It will be interesting to see what happens at the regionals over the next few years though. |
Originally Posted by pilot64golfer
(Post 1831907)
There are 4 true majors. United, American, Delta, and SWA. Those 4 are the ones everyone is trying to get to. Yes there are other good airline jobs, but these are really the ones at the top of the list for most pilots out there.
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Originally Posted by XHooker
(Post 1831960)
FedEx, UPS and Alaska combined are roughly equivalent to one more in term of size.
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