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Birddog 05-24-2015 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1887774)
14-02A was the SFO MOU bid. It had 37 Capt bids... 19 were for the 737 in SFO which your side shared the majority of. I do stand corrected as this was the last LCAL bid but it hardly was a massive bid that put people out of seniority for years and filled years worth of upgrades as Pilot64golfer said.

You're cracking me up. We had 23 737 SFO CA bids if I remember. A majority of FOUR!

There were less than ten backfills and secondaries on the L-UA side on that bid. There were around 400 backfills and secondaries on the L-CAL side. That made it a big bid. I don't have the exact numbers in each BES because I deleted all that stuff and moved on like most of the people here.

sleeves 05-24-2015 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 1887779)
You're cracking me up. We had 23 737 SFO CA bids if I remember. A majority of FOUR!

There were less than ten backfills and secondaries on the L-UA side on that bid. There were around 400 backfills and secondaries on the L-CAL side. That made it a big bid. I don't have the exact numbers in each BES because I deleted all that stuff and moved on like most of the people here.

There were 37 Capt positions on 14-02a. There were 271 f/o vacancies that were filled by mostly returning LUAL furloughed pilots and new hires. It is untrue that this bid stole Capt. Upgrade vacancies for years to come. It is all listed on Flying together. I have moved on, as you noted I had forgotten about the bid as it was insignificant.

pilot64golfer 05-24-2015 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 1887779)
You're cracking me up. We had 23 737 SFO CA bids if I remember. A majority of FOUR!

There were less than ten backfills and secondaries on the L-UA side on that bid. There were around 400 backfills and secondaries on the L-CAL side. That made it a big bid. I don't have the exact numbers in each BES because I deleted all that stuff and moved on like most of the people here.

LCAL had 417 total with backfills and vacancies on that bid, not counting the 844 from 14-02 so in the 7 months prior to the SLI there were 1,061 vacancies filled, most of which out of seniority.

We got our 23 though.....

sleeves 05-24-2015 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1887827)
LCAL had 417 total with backfills and vacancies on that bid, not counting the 844 from 14-02 so in the 7 months prior to the SLI there were 1,061 vacancies filled, most of which out of seniority.

We got our 23 though.....

Many of the LCAL vacancies were filled by LUAL returning furloughed pilots. As noted there were only 37 Capt. Vacancies 19 of which were agreed to in the SFO MOU.

Birddog 05-24-2015 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1887833)
Many of the LCAL vacancies were filled by LUAL returning furloughed pilots. As noted there were only 37 Capt. Vacancies 19 of which were agreed to in the SFO MOU.

Man you just don't give up. I have a feeling your "Many" above is as accurate as your L-UA received the "Majority" of the SFO 737 CA bids comment. And actually 14-02A was not the last L-CAL bid 14-02D was.

Airhoss 05-24-2015 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1887774)
14-02A was the SFO MOU bid. It had 37 Capt bids... 19 were for the 737 in SFO which your side shared the majority of. I do stand corrected as this was the last LCAL bid but it hardly was a massive bid that put people out of seniority for years and filled years worth of upgrades as Pilot64golfer said.

Most people, after proving to the world that they are completely wrong, uniformed and have been bloviating tons of untrue paranoid bovine scatology, tend to simply shut their mouths for the purpose of damage control. But by all means keep it up. You are providing copious amounts of entertainment with your continued idiocy.

sleeves 05-24-2015 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 1887839)
Man you just don't give up. I have a feeling your "Many" above is as accurate as your L-UA received the "Majority" of the SFO 737 CA bids comment. And actually 14-02A was not the last L-CAL bid 14-02D was.

It was a majority. This was an F/O Bid. Very few upgrade positions to say that this bid stole massive upgrade positions for years to come a day before the SLI is false.

pilot64golfer 05-24-2015 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1887846)
It was a majority. This was an F/O Bid. Very few upgrade positions to say that this bid stole massive upgrade positions for years to come a day before the SLI is false.

Look at the seniority of the people sitting in left seats in various bases and then try to say that with a straight face.

The evidence that is plainly in front of us refutes all your hype and obfuscation.

Birddog 05-24-2015 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1887846)
It was a majority. This was an F/O Bid. Very few upgrade positions to say that this bid stole massive upgrade positions for years to come a day before the SLI is false.

Dude. Out of the 271 posted FO bids only 66 were for 737 FO. 205 were for 756 FO and above. I didn't think there were hardly any 756 FO UHires. Still sticking by that "majority" comment?

I will agree with you however on 14-02A's impact. After the fact it's impact wasn't huge. Bid 14-02D had much greater impact. But I blame Heppner more for 14-02D than the L-CAL pilots that snookered him.

Still as pointed out above when you combine 14-02 and 14-02A L-CAL had 1,061 bids filled in the seven months prior to SLI. That's a fourth of the list. There were 419 bids on 14-02D.

sleeves 05-24-2015 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1887851)
Look at the seniority of the people sitting in left seats in various bases and then try to say that with a straight face.

The evidence that is plainly in front of us refutes all your hype and obfuscation.

Many of them were awarded these position well in advance of SLI. 13-08, which had a lot of JR CAPT. In it was a full year before SLI. As you noted 14-02 was 7 months. To say massive upgrades were given away the day before SLI is false.


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