Ha! I hope not.


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Any info how the drop played out today? Bases and seats? Congrats on the first day.

It was as advertised on post 29. Not sure what else you're asking. And thanks.


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What was the order of bid? What went first?

What he said!

73 sfo
73 dca
73 dca
73 dca
320 ewr
73 sfo
320 ewr
73 dca
73 dca
73 sfo
73 dca
73 dca
320 sfo
320 sfo
73 sfo

Nice man, thanks!

Curious why the Bus goes late in the bids? Is it the bases possible are better in the future or larger size fleet means seniority quicker? Any ideas?

From what I have been reading, the bus fleet has better trips, though there is not much moment since there are no new Airbus orders. The growth is coming from the 737 side. So you figure get in the 737 and get a line sooner.

Sure, there are no "new" orders, but they are taking delivery of 19+ Airbi from China this year and next....not quite the numbers the 737 is having, but 19 new to us airplanes sounds like growth to me

Defiantly a positive, I was just talking in general with the 737 and why some may be bidding that over the 320.

Thx for the info. I know it's all speculation (at least on my end). I'm hoping to get the bus and eventually out west, like Houston.

Definitely bid for the bus if you want IAH.

What makes you say that? Did you read the Crew Resources Outlook last month? It shows equally overstaffed by the same level for both the Bus and Guppy in IAH. That's for next summer. The bus growth in IAH is done. Had a friend that went through the CA charm school last month and was told the same thing.

Ummm, no. The 73 trips, especially out of EWR, are way better. 73 EWR is probably the best flying in the system.

How about out of SFO?

Much better chance of getting to IAH on the Bus than the Guppy in the future. I was hired in April of this year and have guys junior to me on the Bus in IAH. That's not true of the Guppy after the large displacements.

I'd have to look at the bid packages. I don't care to speculate. It's my understanding that 73 trips are generally better. We do a lot of the Caribbean and transcons.

Most junior 73 FO in IAH was hired 2 years ago and is still on the bottom of the IAH 73 seniority list.

Nice man, ill have to find someone with the lines and take a look see!

The transcons will more than likely get reduced as they move the PS 757's from JFK to EWR, they are supposed to be designated to SFO and LAX.

Tons and tons of redeyes and other crappy flying. I can hold LA and SFO and desire west coast base, but man that flying sux! Unless you're a vampire or above 30% in base.

Some guys like redeyes for commuting, but most every trip below 50% starts with a redeye and some have two. When they start with a redeye, they usually finish too late to commute home.

EWR has mostly AM starts so western U.S. Commuters have to usually go in day prior, but I usually commute home last night.

If you live on the west coast, esp drivable to SFO, no brainer.

But looking at bid packages as I have done since SFO base opened up makes me hesitant to leave EWR flying just yet.

Ya, that kinda blows. I am in the position where we are going to move to base, and I am a west coaster and the wife is willing to move to any base. I am leaning to SFO since I grew up there, and even though the state is in disarray and high taxes, then weather is nice! Ill just find some place to live with good schools within a 2-3 hour drive. Thanks for the replies gents!

The Washington domicile is known as DCA. It covers all three (DCA IAD BWI) airports.

Not a bad plan. I'd give up good flying in a heartbeat to live in base.

Yeah. That figures. I'll bet there will still be a lot of near-transcons like PHX, LAS, etc. There are also a fair number of SAN and SEA out there. In my admittedly limited experience, having been both IAH and EWR, the IAH trips were far worse for my tastes.

Can anyone from this class shed light on the average wait for training after indoc for the 737 and 320? Thanks.

In all seriousness, any answer is probably not useful information. :(

The wait can range from a couple days to multiple weeks but it is not something a new hire has any control over and will vary from class to class, fleet to fleet, seasonal training department tempo, class realitive juniority, the phase of the moon, and scheduling demands that can change hourly.

What happened to a class last month does not really afford any insight into what is gonna happen to a class next month....other than provide a "data point" that one cannot seriously rely upon. For example, training is traditionally seasonal with less in the summer and more in the spring/fall to provide additional manpower on the line during the peak season. As we move into the fall the training pipeline is gonna get turned up to 11.

That said, if you have a specific upcoming major "life event" (birth of a child, etc.) it would make sense to communicate that early and the scheduling folks will try to do what they can do to accommodate.

Thanks for the insight!!!

The majority of the class had anywhere from just the weekend, to 5 or 6 days off before before starting aircraft training. And that was getting a firm schedule during the 2nd week of Indoc. You may get some training info/schedule during your 1st week, but wait for Mon-Tues of week 2 before considering anything firm. It can change.

As the previous poster said, the scheduling folks have been very accommodating however, so communication is your best route if you have something big going on.