Can I be legally scheduled 13 days in a row
07-31-2015, 04:54 PM
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Can I be legally scheduled 13 days in a row
Had a 5 day trip, one day off, then had a 7 day trip. I got a one day SRM trip in between. I thought you had to have so many hours off in a row in a 7 day period, like 30 hours. Is that correct, or does it just have to be 24 hours? The longest period i have off in the first 7 days will be just 25 hours from post brief to show. is that enough for that 7 day period? Also is there a difference for domestic vs international for minimum hours off in a 7 day period?
The first day of my 7 day trip was a DH. I turned it into a Fake DH, but doesn't the original DH times still count toward FAR and duty requirements?
The first day of my 7 day trip was a DH. I turned it into a Fake DH, but doesn't the original DH times still count toward FAR and duty requirements?
07-31-2015, 05:03 PM
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Call the ALPA guy that sits at the scheduling desk...or the 117 desk. I'm not sure if they are right next to each other. So the gist is you think you should drop the 7 day trip because of the one day trip?
Domestic vs International...no difference. You need to show a 30 hour rest period in a rolling 168 hour lookback.
Domestic vs International...no difference. You need to show a 30 hour rest period in a rolling 168 hour lookback.
07-31-2015, 05:42 PM
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A DH only day does not count toward FAR 117 time. You do have to be careful. It has been a huge problem over at American. They have been scheduling a DH, then reassign after the DH to work. Their contract allows this, yet, the duty for the DH is not initially counted, thus some have been flying illegally.
So, yes, I think you are legal. Use the contract flow charts that are available, and the hotline to make sure. As long as you have the break you were talking about.
So, yes, I think you are legal. Use the contract flow charts that are available, and the hotline to make sure. As long as you have the break you were talking about.
07-31-2015, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer
Had a 5 day trip, one day off, then had a 7 day trip. I got a one day SRM trip in between. I thought you had to have so many hours off in a row in a 7 day period, like 30 hours. Is that correct, or does it just have to be 24 hours? The longest period i have off in the first 7 days will be just 25 hours from post brief to show. is that enough for that 7 day period? Also is there a difference for domestic vs international for minimum hours off in a 7 day period?
The first day of my 7 day trip was a DH. I turned it into a Fake DH, but doesn't the original DH times still count toward FAR and duty requirements?
The first day of my 7 day trip was a DH. I turned it into a Fake DH, but doesn't the original DH times still count toward FAR and duty requirements?
Did you have a 30+ hour layover during the 5 day?
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07-31-2015, 06:05 PM
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Can I be legally scheduled 13 days in a row
All 117 cares about is flight duty period, not duty. He voluntarily waived any contractual requirements to be free from duty by picking up the trip, correct?
He hopefully had 30 hours free from FDP looking back from the start of day 2 on the 7 day trip.
He hopefully had 30 hours free from FDP looking back from the start of day 2 on the 7 day trip.
07-31-2015, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Atomized
All 117 cares about is flight duty period, not duty. He voluntarily waived any contractual requirements to be free from duty by picking up the trip, correct?
He hopefully had 30 hours free from FDP looking back from the start of day 2 on the 7 day trip.
He hopefully had 30 hours free from FDP looking back from the start of day 2 on the 7 day trip.
Unless he had a 30+ hour layover on that 5 day...I think he drops dead on day 2 of the 7 day.
07-31-2015, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer
Just to clarify...after the 5 day you had a 25 hour break, then scheduled for a 7 day? On that 25 hour break, you squeezed in a 1 day SRM? If that's the case, I don't see where you had 30 hours free from duty. The DH doesn't count toward the FDP, but it also isn't free from duty.
Did you have a 30+ hour layover during the 5 day?
Did you have a 30+ hour layover during the 5 day?
07-31-2015, 07:22 PM
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I wouldn't mess with it. Deadhead is still duty, even if it isn't FDP. Just look at your pairing, it shows duty time calculated for a DH. You duty in 30 prior to the flight and duty out 15 after the flight. That is duty time.
Just as reserve isn't FDP, you can't be on reserve 7 days in a row because it would violate the 30 off in 168.
You are even supposed to calculate from 1800 the day before your first day of reserve since it is considered duty to check your schedule as required by the UPA.
So unless you have 30 hours free from duty in 168 hour look back, i personally think you would be illegal per 117. I'm no expert, but that is the way I understand it.
Just as reserve isn't FDP, you can't be on reserve 7 days in a row because it would violate the 30 off in 168.
You are even supposed to calculate from 1800 the day before your first day of reserve since it is considered duty to check your schedule as required by the UPA.
So unless you have 30 hours free from duty in 168 hour look back, i personally think you would be illegal per 117. I'm no expert, but that is the way I understand it.
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