76T??
 

Does anyone understand what is going on with regards to the very strange communications coming from Howard (RE 76T)?

We are closing the categeory, but somehow we are letting people into the base??? How is this legal? Are the ALPA contract enforcement people watching this?

ALPA called BS on the wholesale "phasing out Categories" and so the company has updated it's announcement. Only LAX and IAH 76T are closed. All other 76T bases are still open for bumpty bumping.


From the SSC July report:

Displacements are not allowed into phasing out Category(s) per UPA section 8-E-6-c with the updated announcement that would only be LAX and IAH 76T.
Also this will require pilots that had been displaced in the previous displacement that had preferenced and could have held either SFO, ORD, EWR or DCA 76T

Thanks for the explanation. I do see people "bumping" into IAH 76T. If I am wrong, I will gladly eat crow. but, I do believe I have a problem with this.

I phoned IAH Chief Pilot and my ACP. Both are out. Spoke to the replacement CP who is filling in. He referenced some sort of agreement between company and ALPA. I don't know what he's talking about. But, I don't think anyone can be "bumping" or displacing into a closed BES, like IAH 76T. I think I may need to talk to the grievance chairman.

I don't see any. The Aug 4th snapshot for the current displacement that closes today shows no IAH 76T awards. The latest Bat bid shows 12 active pilots per seat Bating from IAH 76T to IAH 756. Could be some awards from past vacancies that are just now being activated.

Displacement final is now on Skynet and I don't see any IAH 76T at first glance. But DEN Guppy is now WAY overstaffed with a ton of volunteers off the 320.

DEN will suffer one or two more rounds of culling. Shortly thereafter there will be a huge vacancy bid. Ain't that how it goes with these clowns?;)

I'm wondering how they're going to get all these guys through training when combined with the bid Vacancy bid that just closed ahead of the displacement. I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of people going somewhere else thanks to 8-F-9 like what we saw a while back when they fell behind on the 737 training.

Where did you see this message? I can't find it.

it appears to have been taken down. ALPA maintains a copy of everything the company publishes though. Two different messages from howard on the entire 76T thing. One is right and one is wrong. Company inconsistent on the whole thing.

I feel like the entire staffing process is being done by someone who has a degree in Botany or horticulture. Are they moving pilots around like potted plants trying to take advantage of growing seasons or average annual rainfall totals? How can we keep doing this to our pilots and their famalies?

How many did we displace this year in total?
What about last year in total?
How many nest year projected to be displaced?


Really, this is the best we can do?

JP and Jeff decided there would not be a flush bid. This plus the fact they change fleet/fleet locations on a daily bases is the result. I'd bet they planned on the pilots being a little more workable with their ideas and shortcomings. They really don't understand the pilot composition of the new United and our willingness to enforce our contract.

What the pilots can't do is assume the movement is part of growth of the merged airlines. If anything it has caused a lot of angst and suffering on the part of many. It's causing loss of pay, QOL, distress on the families. Sad thing upper management and especially Jeff could care less.

"JP and Jeff"...like you have any clue.

It would have been better for the airline and ALL pilots if the airline had been rebid on day one of final SLI. If that's not obvious to you or you're just a sad ex-CAL type in denial trying to defend Jeff and JP then I don't know what to say.

I thought the no flush bid was part of the arbitrator's ruling. You're saying it was because Jeff Smisek wanted it and ALPA went along?

Arbitrator had nothing to do with a rebidding the airline decision. It was actually Fred selling it to Jeff for JP. Jeff used it to gain favor with what he thought would be the new leader of the merged pilot group (JP). Thought wrong! Before you try to put it on ALPA, I don't think ALPA had a say other than the leaders of CAL ALPA making a deal with Jeff.

If you know of any written agreement between ALPA and the company on rebidding the airline (flush bid) or an arbitrator ruling concerning the same, please share it with everybody.

It was in the TPA that was agreed to by the L-UAL MEC, L-CAL MEC and the company. I am surprised Allen is not trying to blame this on Ben Salley somehow.

You aren't even close, try again. From page 10 of the TPA:

5-B. Acceptance of Integrated Seniority List. Subject only to the conditions stated below, the Parties will accept the results of the Seniority List Integration and incorporate them in the Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement.
(i) The Integrated Seniority List shall have only prospective effect. Specifically, and without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the following conditions shall apply:

• There shall be no "system flush" whereby a Pilot may displace another Pilot from the latter’s position as a result of the implementation of the Integrated Seniority List or the implementation or expiration of any condition or restriction; and
• Pilots on furlough status at the time the Integrated Seniority List is implemented may not bump or displace pilots in active status at that time; and
• Pilots who, at the time of implementation of an integrated seniority list, are in the process of completing or who have completed qualification training for a new position (e.g., B-777 Captain or A-319 First Officer) may be assigned to the position for which they are being or have been trained, regardless of their relative standing on the Integrated Seniority List.

(ii) There shall be no requirement or obligation to compensate Pilots for work not actually performed or positions not actually held during the period for which compensation is sought, as a result of the Integrated Seniority List and its implementation.
(iii) The Integrated Seniority List shall not contain conditions or restrictions that substantially increase the costs associated with training above those normally associated with the merger of two airlines.

Joe,

He is an absolute clown that pops off with no clue.

Please don't let facts get in the way of emotion.

There have been some 76Ts in the new hire drops. EWR trips look pretty cool, but what kind of future is there for a new hire if he picks this?

Enjoy reserve and wait to be placed on 756 side. EWR76t is closing march2016 so people will either be BAT over or have bump rights.

Per the company info put out on Friday, there are no plans to put any more new hires in the 767 fleets, due to all the training slots being used for current pilots (transitions and BAT's)

not since mid-summer… 76T is a dying fleet… new hires may get bids to the 756 again in the Spring… but all training slots now until then is to get 76T pilots qualified in the 756 before Summer...