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Airhoss 08-07-2015 06:50 PM

Wasted training capitol......
 
A bunch of guys in DEN got bumped off the 76T when the base closed. And a bunch of guys bumped to DEN 737 CA. That was the first bump. Then the on this last bump a bunch of guys got bumped out of DEN 737CA. A couple of those guys decided to stay in DEN on either the 737 or the 320 as an FO. So the company is sending those few guys to 737 CA school this month. They will train on the 737 fly one or two legs on OE may be get a full month then go right back to training as an F/O on the 320 or the 737....

That just doesn't make sense. Who makes these asinine wasteful decisions?

SpecialTracking 08-07-2015 07:33 PM

Same thing when we furloughed. Sent them to school and then out the door a month later.

Probe 08-07-2015 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1945408)
A bunch of guys in DEN got bumped off the 76T when the base closed. And a bunch of guys bumped to DEN 737 CA. That was the first bump. Then the on this last bump a bunch of guys got bumped out of DEN 737CA. A couple of those guys decided to stay in DEN on either the 737 or the 320 as an FO. So the company is sending those few guys to 737 CA school this month. They will train on the 737 fly one or two legs on OE may be get a full month then go right back to training as an F/O on the 320 or the 737....

That just doesn't make sense. Who makes these asinine wasteful decisions?

Beancounters in windowless offices in a big tall building in Chicago. And Howie rubber stamps it.

This is not news. It is news when they get it right. I am still waiting.

Scott Stoops 08-08-2015 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1945467)
Beancounters in windowless offices in a big tall building in Chicago. And Howie rubber stamps it.

This is not news. It is news when they get it right. I am still waiting.

pennies. They're buying back 3 billion in stock. Yet they want us to "apu off" the system to save a few more pennies. Decreased safety, outsourced ramp, failing infrastructure, horrible IT implementation and maintenance. Why in the world are we complying with masters level fuel savings that decreases safety (apu off ops) when they're literally ****ing away money for nothing. Just one example.

Management simply doesn't care. They're printing money for themselves while we keep rowing in a lousy operation. Apparently mediocrity is good enough. Unreal.

SpecialTracking 08-08-2015 06:10 AM

"C"apt Stoops,

Don't forget dropping the flaps and the control check as soon as you say disconnect headset. That will save precious time, fuel dollars, and enables you to get into the air sooner and cool off the cabin since Marvin didn't start the APU till 10 prior regardless of the cabin temps.

full of luv 08-08-2015 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1945408)
A bunch of guys in DEN got bumped off the 76T when the base closed. And a bunch of guys bumped to DEN 737 CA. That was the first bump. Then the on this last bump a bunch of guys got bumped out of DEN 737CA. A couple of those guys decided to stay in DEN on either the 737 or the 320 as an FO. So the company is sending those few guys to 737 CA school this month. They will train on the 737 fly one or two legs on OE may be get a full month then go right back to training as an F/O on the 320 or the 737....

That just doesn't make sense. Who makes these asinine wasteful decisions?

Don't they have a "training bypass" option?

jsled 08-08-2015 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1945408)
A bunch of guys in DEN got bumped off the 76T when the base closed. And a bunch of guys bumped to DEN 737 CA. That was the first bump. Then the on this last bump a bunch of guys got bumped out of DEN 737CA. A couple of those guys decided to stay in DEN on either the 737 or the 320 as an FO. So the company is sending those few guys to 737 CA school this month. They will train on the 737 fly one or two legs on OE may be get a full month then go right back to training as an F/O on the 320 or the 737....

That just doesn't make sense. Who makes these asinine wasteful decisions?

Got my class date. No way in heck I'm gonna hold on to my Capt seat in den. Guess I'll try my hand at Airbii Capt or 76T Capt when they bump my arse. Weeee. The merrygoclass is fun!

Probe 08-08-2015 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by Scott Stoops (Post 1945550)
pennies. They're buying back 3 billion in stock. Yet they want us to "apu off" the system to save a few more pennies. Decreased safety, outsourced ramp, failing infrastructure, horrible IT implementation and maintenance. Why in the world are we complying with masters level fuel savings that decreases safety (apu off ops) when they're literally ****ing away money for nothing. Just one example.

Management simply doesn't care. They're printing money for themselves while we keep rowing in a lousy operation. Apparently mediocrity is good enough. Unreal.

Actually, the stock buyback thing really puts it in perspective. Thanks.
Buying 3 billion in company stock, at the highest United's market cap has ever been, makes everything else pale in comparison.

Complaining about them wasting money with bumps.........sort of is kicked to the margins in the big picture.

Scott Stoops 08-09-2015 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1945939)
Actually, the stock buyback thing really puts it in perspective. Thanks.
Buying 3 billion in company stock, at the highest United's market cap has ever been, makes everything else pale in comparison.

Complaining about them wasting money with bumps.........sort of is kicked to the margins in the big picture.

It's a bit sad actually. We have incredible potential. We also have a complete void of leadership at every level. Until this corporation realizes that people are the only reason we exist (employees, customers, families) we will continue to struggle. I flew with a Captain years ago that said United management knew the cost of everything and the value of nothing. That has not changed.

Scrappy 08-09-2015 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Scott Stoops (Post 1946076)
It's a bit sad actually. We have incredible potential. We also have a complete void of leadership at every level. Until this corporation realizes that people are the only reason we exist (employees, customers, families) we will continue to struggle. I flew with a Captain years ago that said United management knew the cost of everything and the value of nothing. That has not changed.

That was very well put Scott. Any unit, squadron, corporation, etc. is only as good as its people.


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