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Old 08-12-2015, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by tikicarver View Post
Some of you may not know that back in the 1999-2001 hiring there was no sim. They had a technical portion during the panel interview instead.
United was well know for the "mental math" problems they gave in the interview.

A buddy just did contract sim training in the 737 sim they use for interviews a few weeks ago. United told his instructors the two 737 sims will be gone in two months.
Out flies the sim, in flies the technical interview!
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Old 08-12-2015, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by tikicarver View Post
Some of you may not know that back in the 1999-2001 hiring there was no sim. They had a technical portion during the panel interview instead.
United was well know for the "mental math" problems they gave in the interview.

A buddy just did contract sim training in the 737 sim they use for interviews a few weeks ago. United told his instructors the two 737 sims will be gone in two months.
2007-2008 timeframe as well at UAL.
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Old 08-12-2015, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by horrido27 View Post
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While every pilot who steps in to the sim knows how to fly.. so did every pilot/crew that has ever been involved in an accident or incident.
(IMO) What the sim interview brings is- can this individual learn the callouts and flow within a short time period, can they handle 2 or 3 things at once, how do they handle a strange stressful environment while under the eyes of someone.. and lastly, there's the CRM aspect.

Only those in the hiring department know the answer.. but, wonder how many are not getting through the sim portion?
Obviously the Hogan Test seems to be taking out (good?!) applicants. How many get shot down during the interview? and lastly.. the sim.

I would rather see less weight on the Hogan, more on personal recs.. and keep the panel and sim. But that's just me.
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PS> Every NH I've flown with has had a great attitude and been a quick/good learner. From the ASA FO (ex intern) to the retired USMC Col (ex Hornets). But there are also some pilots I flew with back in the regional & military days that I know would have a hard time getting through all 3 phases of our interview process. Lets keep it at 3 phases.. just weighed differently~
I've noticed this as well. I can think of two guys off hand who were some the most obnoxious people I've ever shared a cockpit who made it through the Hogan (one got hired, one busted yhe interview). I can also think of several others who were experienced, respected, knowledgeable, skilled aviators. Check airmen. Union volunteers. Capital "C" Captains. Weeded out by the Hogan. Go figure.
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Hahaha dude chill out its all good. Nobody gives a sheet anyway so frack off tooool
Have you got your displacement yet?
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Old 08-12-2015, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ron kent View Post
The sim is BS. Pay $1500 to get the gouge is BS. Hiring should be based on resume and recommendations. Anybody who comes from a regional has been trained in CRM. Anyone who comes from the military with a background in crew aircraft is trained in CRM. Anyone who comes from the military with a fighter background can be trained to to do anything.
And that, in a nutshell, is the way it should be! Ron Kent for VP in charge of pilot recruitment.
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Old 08-12-2015, 03:58 PM
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Have you got your displacement yet?
Hahaha you r a tool!
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Old 08-12-2015, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tikicarver View Post
Some of you may not know that back in the 1999-2001 hiring there was no sim.
This is factually incorrect. In the summer of 1999 they were using a DC10 motion off sim. You flew the same profile they used for years.
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Old 08-13-2015, 12:47 AM
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The sim is needed. right now we do have high time people coming in. flew with a new hire that had about 2000 TT. I think we need it for that reason.

also, in about 5 years from now, what will the average new hire applicant have in his or her logbook?

Keep the sim.
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Old 08-13-2015, 08:18 PM
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"Anyone who comes from the military with a fighter background can be trained to to do anything"

So it's true, fighter pilots need more training.

All this talk about who's the most qualified makes me nauseous. Here's what counts, if you got hired you met the criteria of the day.
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In five years the average applicant will have to have a minimum of ATP to even be considered.

In the 60s all they had to have was a private pilot license, United paid for their commercial and Instrument. Many never got their multi rating until they took a PC in the right seat (after the FAA made it mandatory).

Today's pilots and applicants are far more qualified than in the day.
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