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FlyHIGHgoFAST 08-27-2015 05:40 PM

Next Vacancy Bid?
 
Any ideas or rumors on when it is supposed to show up? I thought there was supposed to be another after the last vacancy/dispacement/whatever it was bid

APC225 08-27-2015 06:27 PM

SSC Report, August 2015

"The company said to expect the next Vacancy Bid after they complete analyzing the Displacement Bid results. In addition, the company is analyzing domestic flying as they await a new July 2016 best-flown analysis. They expect this plan by the end of August."

http://ual.alpa.org/LinkClick.aspx?f...3672&mid=21498

FlyHIGHgoFAST 08-27-2015 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1958541)
SSC Report, August 2015

"The company said to expect the next Vacancy Bid after they complete analyzing the Displacement Bid results. In addition, the company is analyzing domestic flying as they await a new July 2016 best-flown analysis. They expect this plan by the end of August."

http://ual.alpa.org/LinkClick.aspx?f...3672&mid=21498

Thanks....Should have done my homework first! Cheers!

Dave Fitzgerald 08-27-2015 09:35 PM

Don't look now, but it's the end of Aug.

Also, they have to panic first and redo the entire thing now that marketing has changed the entire plan...

APC225 08-28-2015 05:55 AM

The way I read it the "best-flown analysis" for July 2016 is due at the end of August not a new bid. Who knows how long it takes to analyse the analysis. Maybe Howard will shed some light in his Friday update.

UAL320 08-28-2015 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1958737)
T Maybe Howard will shed some light in his Friday update.

No such luck.

Probe 08-28-2015 08:53 AM

Howie needs to have someone shed some light on him.

Bumping 777 West Coast, 787 IAH? This should be fun to watch. Even more pilots getting paid to do nothing, and others getting 150 hours a month.

I think Manpower finally got a clue, that they haven't got a clue. Even they can't figure out what to do now. Vacancy? Displacement?

Homina, Homina, Homina, Homina, Homina, Homina...................

CALFO 08-28-2015 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1958832)
Howie needs to have someone shed some light on him.

Bumping 777 West Coast, 787 IAH? This should be fun to watch. Even more pilots getting paid to do nothing, and others getting 150 hours a month.

I think Manpower finally got a clue, that they haven't got a clue. Even they can't figure out what to do now. Vacancy? Displacement?

Homina, Homina, Homina, Homina, Homina, Homina...................

This has been the plan all along. The only bumps needed will be 777 SFO and possible some very junior Sfo 787 pilots. The company played this perfectly.

GoCats67 08-28-2015 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1958896)
This has been the plan all along. The only bumps needed will be 777 SFO and possible some very junior Sfo 787 pilots. The company played this perfectly.


Think they will also need to displace/close the 777 LAX domicile. If they go through with everything they stated there won't be any 777 flights out of LAX.

I expect a great deal of Deadheading of West Coast 787 crews to IAH for the winter. Then at the end of March all hell will break loose on the staffing as they try to move all this flying. Right now it shows that all the shift happens at the end of March 24/5/6/7. IAH is down 7 787 departures after that week. The SFO/LAX plane change info isn't in the system yet, but that is what it is showing in Employee Res for the IAH stuff. If the company goes through with that type of changeover, then things will be falling apart everywhere on both the 787 and 777 fleets!

Monkeyfly 08-28-2015 11:19 AM

Dear Ex-con Brothers and Sisters:

Could you please let the 787 Captain seats get down to, say, 4500 on the ol' seniority list? Thank you.

In Unity,

Monkey
:)

nopac6 08-28-2015 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1958896)
This has been the plan all along. The only bumps needed will be 777 SFO and possible some very junior Sfo 787 pilots. The company played this perfectly.

How do you figure that? LA 777 is losing SYD and LHR. You don't think that's gonna require some LA 777 bumps as well as SFO?

boxer6 08-28-2015 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1958832)
Howie needs to have someone shed some light on him.

Bumping 777 West Coast, 787 IAH? This should be fun to watch. Even more pilots getting paid to do nothing, and others getting 150 hours a month.

I think Manpower finally got a clue, that they haven't got a clue. Even they can't figure out what to do now. Vacancy? Displacement?

Homina, Homina, Homina, Homina, Homina, Homina...................

My understanding is all this seeming confusion is interrelated with the F/A's contract that was predicted to be finished by now.

Apparently, now that their negotiations are going to mediation, the timeline for contract/ISL completion is far enough out in the future that they are going ahead with the original (i.e optimized) fleet plan. Unfortunately, this new plan is going to be more of a hardship on the FA's vice the temporary (i.e non optimized) fleet plan. Mgmt was willing to temporarily live with it until the F/A ISL, that's now not going to happen anytime soon.

I hope what I was told the (shameful) reason for the breakdown isn't true.

Probe 08-29-2015 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by boxer6 (Post 1959125)
My understanding is all this seeming confusion is interrelated with the F/A's contract that was predicted to be finished by now.

Apparently, now that their negotiations are going to mediation, the timeline for contract/ISL completion is far enough out in the future that they are going ahead with the original (i.e optimized) fleet plan. Unfortunately, this new plan is going to be more of a hardship on the FA's vice the temporary (i.e non optimized) fleet plan. Mgmt was willing to temporarily live with it until the F/A ISL, that's now not going to happen anytime soon.

I hope what I was told the (shameful) reason for the breakdown isn't true.

Do tell. What is the shameful reason?

boxer6 08-29-2015 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1959638)
Do tell. What is the shameful reason?

Not appropriate (especially here) as it was information with more than one degree of separation. Threw it out there so if one is curious enough, they can probe (no pun intended) into it themselves. Myself, I'm curious how the Pension issue is going.

Hilltopper89 08-29-2015 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by boxer6 (Post 1959681)
Not appropriate (especially here) as it was information with more than one degree of separation. Threw it out there so if one is curious enough, they can probe (no pun intended) into it themselves. Myself, I'm curious how the Pension issue is going.

I'm just a <3 years on property line pilot so I know next to nothing. 2 things come to mind: it seems lots of FAs I talk with don't want a contract...on both sides. And I don't get how we're nickel and diming everything, don't have a technician or FA contract, but we're buying back stock.

Probe 08-29-2015 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Hilltopper89 (Post 1959743)
I'm just a <3 years on property line pilot so I know next to nothing. 2 things come to mind: it seems lots of FAs I talk with don't want a contract...on both sides. And I don't get how we're nickel and diming everything, don't have a technician or FA contract, but we're buying back stock.

I would recommend not getting your hopes up about potentially understanding more in the future. The only thing you will understand is when you see the same failed ideas being repeated every 6-8 years.

Positive rate, gear up..............

Probe 08-29-2015 02:32 PM

I just read in the news a couple of hours ago, United wants to get our on-time and reliability rankings up with Delta.

Their brilliant idea? More technology, and IT solutions.

Hilltopper89 08-29-2015 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1959801)
I just read in the news a couple of hours ago, United wants to get our on-time and reliability rankings up with Delta.

Their brilliant idea? More technology, and IT solutions.

APU off arrivals abound, saving us (arguably) a couple million a year. Meanwhile one server goes down for 81 minutes and it costs us conservatively $40 Million.

full of luv 08-29-2015 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Hilltopper89 (Post 1959743)
I'm just a <3 years on property line pilot so I know next to nothing. 2 things come to mind: it seems lots of FAs I talk with don't want a contract...on both sides. And I don't get how we're nickel and diming everything, don't have a technician or FA contract, but we're buying back stock.

There doing stock buybacks because that is what Delta was/is doing.

You see, if your mgmt with millions in stock and options for more stock, your best way to get a raise without a "raise" in salary is to use company money to buy back stock which notionally raises the value of the outstanding shares and options and doesn't get the notice of the employees and ire of the shareholders because they benefit as well.


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