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buscappy 10-20-2015 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 1996406)
DaveDaveDave...

You already have your answer. You can't, because they won't. And they won't, because they don't want to. It doesn't appear to be more complicated than that. You are a widget, not an asset, so do as you're told (scheduled).

There may be a dozen guys on reserve on the day you want to drop a trip. Yet, "No coverage" is almost always their response. What ends up happening is increased sick calls, and then of course the ramping up of AMS harassment. Which of course will be followed up by Marvin's flying with snot running out of their nostrils, which will be followed by non Marvin's calling in sick a few days later.

Trip trade is a joke as well. Just add PBS and any control over your schedule is just about non existent, unless you're very senior in base and seat.

And we slurp it up like fat carp.

Welcome to UAL. How'd you like another two years of this contract?

concise witty pithy accurate description of the whole pilot trade and sick leave programs. been here 26 years. flown with more fo's in the last 3 yrs wipin their noses and takin cold meds than in the prior 23 yrs combined. i call sick and go to doctor. it's a management decision to pressure pilots to come to work sick. not my problem man.

krudawg 10-20-2015 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp05 (Post 1996635)
Correct, MIL leaves MUST be approved. This is not an attack on you krudawg, but if the MIL leaves are taking up all the trip drop opportunities, then it's the least we could do as a gratitude for their service. Those men and women have sacrificed more than civilian guys like me ever have and I'd gladly give them the break when they need it.

No attack taken, as a Vietnam Vet I appreciate your respect for those of us who spent time in a Combat Zone. I was just pointing out some possible causes for a lack of trip drops - not to attack my fellow vets.

F15andMD11 10-21-2015 01:24 AM


Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1996663)
...I was just pointing out some possible causes for a lack of trip drops - not to attack my fellow vets.

No I don't think so. There aren't that many active military pilots that are dropping trips on a day to day basis. That would measured on a monthly scale. I base this on watching open time and seeing how few trips suddenly appeared to be aggressively picked up.

Mitch Rapp05 10-21-2015 02:32 AM


Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1996663)
No attack taken, as a Vietnam Vet I appreciate your respect for those of us who spent time in a Combat Zone. I was just pointing out some possible causes for a lack of trip drops - not to attack my fellow vets.

Thanks for your service!

krudawg 10-21-2015 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by F15andMD11 (Post 1996717)
No I don't think so. There aren't that many active military pilots that are dropping trips on a day to day basis. That would measured on a monthly scale. I base this on watching open time and seeing how few trips suddenly appeared to be aggressively picked up.

You may be right. I don't think the company has ever really wanted the pilots have a free and open trip trading capability. If we had such a trading capability, it would most likely pay dividends to the company in a reduction of sick leave use.

APC225 10-21-2015 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1996784)
You may be right. I don't think the company has ever really wanted the pilots have a free and open trip trading capability.

Before PBS the bottom 30% were reserves. Now just 10% which indicates how much they're saving on labor costs by assigning every trip during monthly preferencing leaving little for trading.

20-P-4-b If immediately prior to the first run of the trip-trading system the pay value of all Open Trips in a Category is less than one percent (1%) of the pay value of all Trips available for awarding in Monthly Schedule Preferencing for that Category, the Company shall allow enough Trip drops in that first run so that the pay value of those dropped Trips equal that difference (between one percent (1%) and the current Open Trips). The intent of this provision is to seed trip trading.

UPA says 1% of value of all trips seeded but even this has been applied to our disadvantage. You might notice that often that 1% isn't there. I went forward with this issue shortly after UPA was implemented when I asked scheduling for a drop regardless of reserve coverage because there was no 1% seeding. They refused. Union said that one-for-one trip trades count as a drop and that scheduling also lowers reserve mins and that counts towards the 1% because it could allow an equivalent trade/drop.

Hilltopper89 10-21-2015 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1996614)
I wonder if all the Mil leaves are getting approved. My guess is they soak up all the trip drop opportunities for everyone else( at least for the narrow body jets). But after all, Mil Leave has the backing it needs because it is, after all, FEDERAL LAW.

Not sure. I've tried a half a dozen times to straight drop a trip on days I didn't want with the full intention of picking one up on days I did. No Coverage was always the response.

C-17 Driver 10-22-2015 12:31 AM


Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp05 (Post 1996635)
Correct, MIL leaves MUST be approved. This is not an attack on you krudawg, but if the MIL leaves are taking up all the trip drop opportunities, then it's the least we could do as a gratitude for their service. Those men and women have sacrificed more than civilian guys like me ever have and I'd gladly give them the break when they need it.


Mil leave approval? I don't submit mil leave approval requests. I submit military leave notifications.

I don't know where you're getting that military leave must be approved by the company.

Mitch Rapp05 10-22-2015 04:35 AM


Originally Posted by C-17 Driver (Post 1997494)
Mil leave approval? I don't submit mil leave approval requests. I submit military leave notifications.

I don't know where you're getting that military leave must be approved by the company.

I was responding to a previous post. You put it a lot better though. Mil leaves are notifications not requests.


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