Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 2006446)

Very interesting times indeed. It seems that this is a hybrid of amending their current agreement and opening early their next agreement.

I hope the flight attendants are watching and resolve their own internal conflicts so they can play ball as well.

It also lends some credence to the suggestion that this new management is trying a different tact than we've seen before. This is unprecedented in the 20+ years I've been here.

Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp05 (Post 2006528)

Hey Swindells - you're irrelevant. Go play patty cake with Kravit and the rest of your Sesame Street crew on ualforums.

Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 2006518)

That's the big question. What IS the benefit of opening early? Analysts suggest that it's a move by Munoz to buy "labor peace", which has x value. Staller suggests it's a big Trojan Horse designed to ruin us forever. Another theory is to take your suggestion of "those who set the framework have an upper hand in the argument" and apply it not to United employees but to the industry in general. Perhaps it's a play out of DAL's handbook where they opened early on the last contract cycle thus being able to shape the labor costs industry wide by going first. I certainly don't pretend to know. I did note that the IAM leadership was much more enthusiastic about the news of a contract ammendment followed by early open than ALPA's leadership was.... understandable seeing as it appears on the surface to be a better offer than what we got.

Despite what Staller says, I'm not for or against anything yet other than being glad that we are having a dialogue. I've always been a fan of taking advantage of opportunities when they arise. Is this an opportunity, or the company's attempt to swindle us yet again? No way to know yet unless you're at the negotiating table. I certainly understand the pessimistic views. I've lived through the same hell as everyone else. I tend to be a little bit more opportunistic than most. Then again, I closed on a house on August 2011, so clearly I'm not a smart investor

Originally Posted by AllenAllert (Post 2006569)

Was "opportunistic" a mistake or a true feeling?

Originally Posted by AllenAllert (Post 2006489)

You spend a lot of time on this forum selling the company's positions. When you say 20 years, which side of the fence are you talking. Most understand you are anti-ALPA but what is your purpose of trying to get the pilots to sell out. BTW, the Mechanics and Flight Attendants are working toward their own contracts and probable don't appreciate you getting involved by shilling for the company.

Originally Posted by intrepidcv11 (Post 2006635)

Definetly that bitter Canadian dude on the other board...

Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 2006648)

If 25 percent of us knew and upheld the contract (and kept maintenance honest) the way he does, this would be a much better place to work.

Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 2006654)

I take no exception with his opinion, his diligence with the contract or his pessimistic view of UAL's management. However there are LOTS of folks who are able to do that without being arrogant, obnoxious, and vitriolic

Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp05 (Post 2006528)

Hey Swindells - you're irrelevant. Go play patty cake with Kravit and the rest of your Sesame Street crew on ualforums.