Training travel?
 

Half-winger question; coming up on my first mv/loe.

Scheduled to start at 1600 the day after a GDO. This is forcing me to travel in early that morning and makes for a long day.

Is this legal? Can I do anything about it?

Thanks in advance...

Some others here may be better 117 experts but here is my understanding.... The duty limits for 117 is based on how your trip is built, and does not consider your commute. Example: You live in XYZ and commute to EWR and they schedule you for an IOE trip out of EWR. The only thing considered for duty time is your duty on time in EWR which is 1 hr prior to departure for the first flight of the trip... There is a difference however between commuting to your base and the company deadheading you to another base. Example: You are based and live in DCA. The company decided to send you to EWR for IOE. That trip would be built with a deadhead to EWR. Now your duty time begins when you duty on in DCA prior to your deadhead. Even though it is basically the same thing as commuting to your base, the FAA views it differently than a commute.... However there is also a catch-all caviat to 117. You are required to certify that you are fit for duty prior to starting a trip. So even if it is legal for you to commute on a red-eye to start a 12 hour duty day the next morning, you have to certify that you are rested and fit for duty. Just something to think about.... Sorry for the long-winded response but to answer your question yes you can commute in early to start an afternoon trip.... Also for IOE you are eligible for positive space travel so make sure to use it if you need it. Just book your flight the same way you did on days off for training and call/email the IOE desk to have it authorized.

Sorry just re-read your post and realized you may have been referencing coming back for training, not starting IOE. The same information still applies and you CAN fly in early for a 1600 sim.

9-F-3 A Pilot shall not be scheduled to exceed thirteen and one-half (13 1/2) hours on duty in a combination of training and traveling to or from the training location

Ok, read that part. The time starts from my home of residence (eastern time zone) at departure time of the flight? Or is there a DH report time tacked on?

Thanks again.

Ok, never mind answered my own question. Had to back pedal a couple of paragraphs. 15 min report time allowed.

Just to make a thread creep; while I do certainly appreciate having a mature contract, it seems to me the language and organization of it could use some simplifying.

Guess that means I should volunteer for that project. ;-)

I would call the training scheduling department. They need to do something about that.
I had a travel day built into mine.
YOU DO NOT want to travel and do sim on same day. ESPECIALLY if this is your probation ride. IT IS A LONG DAY.

One more note, if you do not know this, make absolutely sure that you book in 1st class, and get the DH authorized. This is one of the last positive space 1st class DH we have left. To and from a PC.

Have fun and congratulations.

Yes. Book the seat ASAP!
Don't be like me, and wait until all 1st. class is sold. :eek:
Luckily I kept an eye on the leg back home, and one opened up, and I got it....