Contract extension AIP bullet points
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United hired very low time pilots in the late 1960s when the military was not letting many out, but there was no 1,500 hour ATP requirement, enormous worldwide airline growth, a five year hiatus from pilot retirements that devastated the civilian training capacity or a permanent waning in the supply of military pilots.
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#453
In good times, yes. Good times won't last. New guys need to have a longer view...
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I choose to look at it differently. Every seat in every base has guys on reserve and always will. Widebody Captains in most domiciles etc. So maybe 15 percent or so of the pilot group will always be on reserve. How many guys bypass a significant upgrade opportunity and why? Because reserve sucks and is worse than it used to be.
Look at how junior the left seat went at LCAL vs LUAL pre merge. Reserve was so abusive that it went very very junior. I could hold the guppy in EWR today, but choose not too. If the SC nonsense wasn't so prevalent (or was identical to the way it was at LUAL prior to this contract) I'd give it serious consideration. Not now. That's a lot of money.
Reserve has gotten a ton of negative airplay since this carrot has been dangled precisely because it was mentioned in the original letter. Had the bullet point been trip trading or PBS, I doubt so many would be so quick to blast those who had voiced their disappointment about it being dropped.
I think it speaks volumes when commuter guys get hired here and comment on how lousy our Reserve system is. Reserve can be a great way to sharp shoot days off, or to maximize pay. Or, it can just suck. Clearly most here are unwilling to budge on the issue.
Look at how junior the left seat went at LCAL vs LUAL pre merge. Reserve was so abusive that it went very very junior. I could hold the guppy in EWR today, but choose not too. If the SC nonsense wasn't so prevalent (or was identical to the way it was at LUAL prior to this contract) I'd give it serious consideration. Not now. That's a lot of money.
Reserve has gotten a ton of negative airplay since this carrot has been dangled precisely because it was mentioned in the original letter. Had the bullet point been trip trading or PBS, I doubt so many would be so quick to blast those who had voiced their disappointment about it being dropped.
I think it speaks volumes when commuter guys get hired here and comment on how lousy our Reserve system is. Reserve can be a great way to sharp shoot days off, or to maximize pay. Or, it can just suck. Clearly most here are unwilling to budge on the issue.
#456
hysterical. so you choose a temporary anomaly that affects less than 250 pilots to make your point. not very convincing. not a new hire... 28 years at legacy UAL after 10 months at legacy CAL (yes I quit after I was called from the UAL pool), nearly 1000 numbers senior to the legacy CAL guys I started with in 1987 after the ISL. how's that for having a long term view?
And I took you to task for proffering absolutes in an industry rife with uncertainties. (Wow, lots of big words in there.) Many of our young padawans, and apparently our older senior coworkers, should never say never, and never say always in this business.
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silly post really. if you think the majority of pilots are going to sacrifice a substantial pay raise for the selfish few raised by the worst in our industry you are about to be sadly disappointed. I have refrained for years from posting, but since the merger I have seen a rise in selfish, self-interested posts by whom I suspect are south pilots. can't hold my tongue any longer..... and again, your "example" is a temporary anomaly.... even if the age rule changes again (it probably will given what China, Canada, an Japan have done) the total number of pilots affected will still be less than 20% at most.... and pilots will then have a "choice" of remaining a CAP on reserve or bumping to line holder FO etc (as i did in 2003).
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silly post really. if you think the majority of pilots are going to sacrifice a substantial pay raise for the selfish few raised by the worst in our industry you are about to be sadly disappointed. I have refrained for years from posting, but since the merger I have seen a rise in selfish, self-interested posts by whom I suspect are south pilots. can't hold my tongue any longer..... and again, your "example" is a temporary anomaly.... even if the age rule changes again (it probably will given what China, Canada, an Japan have done) the total number of pilots affected will still be less than 20% at most....
Even though I think our reserve system is much improved over years back it can be significantly better, often times with minor tweaks, along with much of the rest of our contract. What is clear is that far too many of us want to do the company's labor strategy work by dividing the pilot group into special interests. We need to stop that and realize that this is a team sport and that if we don't act accordingly we will all lose.
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explain how the company approaching us prior to a contract's amendable date (the company has never done this before in my 28 years) to give us a substantial pay raise for practically nothing in return (rumored till we see the AIP) an attempt by the company to divide us?
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