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Old 12-08-2015, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive View Post
United hired very low time pilots in the late 1960s when the military was not letting many out, but there was no 1,500 hour ATP requirement, enormous worldwide airline growth, a five year hiatus from pilot retirements that devastated the civilian training capacity or a permanent waning in the supply of military pilots.
The 1,500 hour requirements makes it even more likely they'll grant work visas to foreign pilots. Good thing is it will help drive pilot pay higher. May be another reason to follow the MEC guidance when/if they present the AIP for ratification.
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The 1,500 hour requirements makes it even more likely they'll grant work visas to foreign pilots.
The incentive might be higher, but the numbers of qualified pilots from source will be negligible.
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Old 12-09-2015, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr View Post
being a newbie on reserve is right of passage.... being a reserve widebody FO or any reserve CAPT is a bad quality of life decision that is no one's problem but the person making that choice......period
Uhh....not really. SFO 76T this month, 67% are on reserve due to the transition in flying. Guys there will be on reserve that haven't ever been on reserve under the current rules, haven't been there for decades.

In good times, yes. Good times won't last. New guys need to have a longer view...
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I choose to look at it differently. Every seat in every base has guys on reserve and always will. Widebody Captains in most domiciles etc. So maybe 15 percent or so of the pilot group will always be on reserve. How many guys bypass a significant upgrade opportunity and why? Because reserve sucks and is worse than it used to be.

Look at how junior the left seat went at LCAL vs LUAL pre merge. Reserve was so abusive that it went very very junior. I could hold the guppy in EWR today, but choose not too. If the SC nonsense wasn't so prevalent (or was identical to the way it was at LUAL prior to this contract) I'd give it serious consideration. Not now. That's a lot of money.

Reserve has gotten a ton of negative airplay since this carrot has been dangled precisely because it was mentioned in the original letter. Had the bullet point been trip trading or PBS, I doubt so many would be so quick to blast those who had voiced their disappointment about it being dropped.

I think it speaks volumes when commuter guys get hired here and comment on how lousy our Reserve system is. Reserve can be a great way to sharp shoot days off, or to maximize pay. Or, it can just suck. Clearly most here are unwilling to budge on the issue.
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Old 12-10-2015, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr View Post
hysterical. so you choose a temporary anomaly that affects less than 250 pilots to make your point. not very convincing. not a new hire... 28 years at legacy UAL after 10 months at legacy CAL (yes I quit after I was called from the UAL pool), nearly 1000 numbers senior to the legacy CAL guys I started with in 1987 after the ISL. how's that for having a long term view?
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being a newbie on reserve is right of passage.... being a reserve widebody FO or any reserve CAPT is a bad quality of life decision that is no one's problem but the person making that choice......period
New hire or not, I chose that particular example because I am familiar with it. Just because reserve sucked when you were on it the last time, does not mean that we have to endure that burden now. nd no, sometimes you don't have a choice, as illustrated in my example.

And I took you to task for proffering absolutes in an industry rife with uncertainties. (Wow, lots of big words in there.) Many of our young padawans, and apparently our older senior coworkers, should never say never, and never say always in this business.
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr View Post
silly post really. if you think the majority of pilots are going to sacrifice a substantial pay raise for the selfish few raised by the worst in our industry you are about to be sadly disappointed. I have refrained for years from posting, but since the merger I have seen a rise in selfish, self-interested posts by whom I suspect are south pilots. can't hold my tongue any longer..... and again, your "example" is a temporary anomaly.... even if the age rule changes again (it probably will given what China, Canada, an Japan have done) the total number of pilots affected will still be less than 20% at most.... and pilots will then have a "choice" of remaining a CAP on reserve or bumping to line holder FO etc (as i did in 2003).
The "C"captains who I respected the most upheld the belief that we should leave this profession in a better position when we retire. They as true unionists, were more concerned about the group as a whole versus carving out specific segments.
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Old 12-10-2015, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr View Post
silly post really. if you think the majority of pilots are going to sacrifice a substantial pay raise for the selfish few raised by the worst in our industry you are about to be sadly disappointed. I have refrained for years from posting, but since the merger I have seen a rise in selfish, self-interested posts by whom I suspect are south pilots. can't hold my tongue any longer..... and again, your "example" is a temporary anomaly.... even if the age rule changes again (it probably will given what China, Canada, an Japan have done) the total number of pilots affected will still be less than 20% at most....
What is silly is you calling others selfish.

Even though I think our reserve system is much improved over years back it can be significantly better, often times with minor tweaks, along with much of the rest of our contract. What is clear is that far too many of us want to do the company's labor strategy work by dividing the pilot group into special interests. We need to stop that and realize that this is a team sport and that if we don't act accordingly we will all lose.
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr View Post
explain how the company approaching us prior to a contract's amendable date (the company has never done this before in my 28 years) to give us a substantial pay raise for practically nothing in return (rumored till we see the AIP) an attempt by the company to divide us?
Nothing in return? We are surely giving them relief in FAR 117 extensions and FRMS that will enable ULF that is key to their long-term strategy and a two year extension instead of negotiating a full Section 6 contract in the best negotiating environment imaginable for pilots. Management thinks strategically and long-term and we tend to fixate on pay rates.
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr View Post
this is the BEST contract that I have worked under at UAL...
C2000 was far superior to this contract in my opinion, and worth far more monetarily which is not a matter of opinion.
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