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tikicarver 12-02-2015 10:30 AM

FAA: On Call = On Duty
 
Interesting article from Aviation Week about reserve rest rules.

"The FAA has once again issued a legal interpretation explaining that an “on call” pilot can’t count as rest all of the time that a call never came. ...."

see article here
FAA: On Call = On Duty | BCA content from Aviation Week

DG1000 12-02-2015 02:35 PM

That would certainly improve our reserve rules. I was disappointed to see that the rules here were worse than a regional I previously worked for.

Now if they'd only put new-hires into the 756 fleet again life would be much better!

TrakTrak 12-02-2015 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by tikicarver (Post 2020267)
Interesting article from Aviation Week about reserve rest rules.

"The FAA has once again issued a legal interpretation explaining that an “on call” pilot can’t count as rest all of the time that a call never came. ...."

see article here
FAA: On Call = On Duty | BCA content from Aviation Week

Your duty time cannot exceed 16hrs when on call (short call at AA). So yes, it counts.

gettinbumped 12-02-2015 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by DG1000 (Post 2020454)
That would certainly improve our reserve rules. I was disappointed to see that the rules here were worse than a regional I previously worked for.

Now if they'd only put new-hires into the 756 fleet again life would be much better!

I'm not on reserve so I could be wrong, but I was pretty sure this is the interpretation that we already have, so reserve won't change with regard to this finding.

Careful what you wish for. 756 reserve is international, so all days off are moveable except your block of 6 holy days. Domestic reserve they can only move 1

Short Bus Drive 12-02-2015 03:45 PM

Been that way forever.....What's so breaking about this?
And this has nothing to do with reserve rules.
Also, they CAN roll HDOs off under extreme circumstances...

DG1000 12-03-2015 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by TrakTrak (Post 2020461)
Your duty time cannot exceed 16hrs when on call (short call at AA). So yes, it counts.

Short call duty time at UAL starts when you report to the airport. Same as field standby.

Therefore 16 hours of being telephone available+duty time can be easily exceeded currently.

DG1000 12-03-2015 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 2020468)
Careful what you wish for. 756 reserve is international, so all days off are moveable except your block of 6 holy days. Domestic reserve they can only move 1

I'm painfully aware of that. That's why I want more new-hires below me so I can get off reserve!

NFLUALNFL 12-03-2015 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by DG1000 (Post 2020788)
Short call duty time at UAL starts when you report to the airport. Same as field standby.

Therefore 16 hours of being telephone available+duty time can be easily exceeded currently.

Don't think so

jsled 12-03-2015 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by DG1000 (Post 2020788)
Short call duty time at UAL starts when you report to the airport. Same as field standby.

Therefore 16 hours of being telephone available+duty time can be easily exceeded currently.


The bold statement above is absolutely false. In fact, it's just silly. Your SC RAP starts as determined by Crew Scheduling. Once assigned a trip, your FDP and time spent in the RAP cannot exceed:

The lesser of Table B plus 4 hours or 16 hours measured from the beginning of the RAP. (non-augmented)

Table C plus 4 hours, measured from the beginning of the RAP. (augmented)

FOM 1.50.2

UAL has never started your duty day at assigned trip report time for short calls. In fact, before FAR 117 and our new contract, the domestic limit was 14 hours from the beginning of the RAP, waivable of course.

Firsttimeflyer 12-03-2015 06:40 AM

And don't forget the 2 hour extension. For domestic you could be looking at 18 hour day legally if you waive.


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