Goodbye Dubai
 

Beginning of the end for the IAD hub?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...180818693.html

Doubt it. Pretty scummy thing for JetBlue to do though.

Sort of, not.

Ual and all the others use code shares for routes they never fly.

UAL was awarded IAD-ADD (codeshare with Ethiopian) for 2016.

Sucks for us in IAD but it is what it is.

DC

Wait...isn't our "awesome", "labor friendly" administration supposed to help ensure that competition is fair?

Umm hmmm.....

FAR 117
Known Crewmember
New union election rules (and his Mar '15 VETO of the Republican bill to change them back)
Airline Pilot Pension Fairness Act

Yeah. This guy SUCKS!! :rolleyes:

The Government travel factor is a big part of what keeps the IAD hub alive. Otherwise, it is too close to EWR to make any sense for the merged UAL. If UAL continues to lose Government contracts, the viability of the IAD hub becomes questionable.

I doubt that Dulles is in trouble. Being the nations capitol makes it make more recession proof than most areas due to Uncle Sam. Depending on your catchment area, its home to more than 6M affluent people. Aside from BWI and SWA (99% domestic travel) what other choice do peeps in DC/MD/VA have? For comparison, look at what's happening to Houston now that oil has fallen off a cliff.

UA recently renegotiated its lease with MWAA and managed to significantly reduce its operating costs there. We're a big enough airline to operate in both DC and NY. I can't imagine us taking DC pax to EWR for European and other international connections. We already screwed that up in MIA. If we were to pull out of Dulles, I'd bet money that either DAL or AA would slide right in. In my view, that alone is what will cement its viability.

From Wiki.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washin...ropolitan_area
"The Washington metropolitan area is the most educated and, by some measures, the most affluent metropolitan area in the United States [2] As of the 2014 U.S. Census Bureau estimate, the population of the Washington metropolitan area was estimated to be 6,033,737, making it the largest metropolitan area in the Census' Southeast region and the seventh-largest metropolitan area in the country.

And...

"Dulles has significant capacity for future growth. With minor expansion, the current facilities could accommodate 45 million annual passengers (22.5 million enplanements). With all future facilities in the master plan constructed, the airport could accommodate 70 million annual passengers (35 million enplanements) operating out of 250 airline gates. The current four-runway configuration has a capacity of up to 600,000 aircraft operations per year. With a future fifth runway constructed, the airfield capacity could increase to 1 million aircraft operations per year."

About Dulles International | Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority

We operated IAD and JFK for years. At one point JFK was our larget 75/76 base. I think both can coexist just fine.

Hopefully so James. The hub has to make money. I doubt we will run it at a continuous loss just in case. Pretty disturbing to see US taxpayer dollars go to a subsidized foreign competitor. How many more routes will meet a similar fate?

ANALYSIS: What does the future hold for United at Washington Dulles?

None of that matters if we don't have jobs.

This will make getting to work fun. (I commute through Dubai)

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Your're right. Hey, what is the status of that Norwegian Air International application filed in 2013?

Phvcking sucks to be you dude

Hmm, the most LABOR FRIENDLY (and Transparent) Administration in memory; sure doesn't sound like it.

Current administration is labor friendly... Just not US citizens...🎭

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"The Washington metropolitan area is the most educated and, by some measures, the most affluent metropolitan area in the United States [2] As of the 2014 U.S. Census Bureau estimate, the population of the Washington metropolitan area was estimated to be 6,033,737, making it the largest metropolitan area in the Census' Southeast region and the seventh-largest metropolitan area in the country.

And...

"Dulles has significant capacity for future growth. With minor expansion, the current facilities could accommodate 45 million annual passengers (22.5 million enplanements). With all future facilities in the master plan constructed, the airport could accommodate 70 million annual passengers (35 million enplanements) operating out of 250 airline gates. The current four-runway configuration has a capacity of up to 600,000 aircraft operations per year. With a future fifth runway constructed, the airfield capacity could increase to 1 million aircraft operations per year."

Dont worry we still have Cleveland...

I can't believe DC isn't up in arms over government employees flying on Emirates. Or ALPA.

+1

Code share on Emirates via Jet Blue?? Seriously? American military riding on a foreign airline out of our capital? :mad:

Subsidized and now giving them our US government business? Wow.

I expect to hear more soon. Plus, government employees fly coach. DC to DXB is a 777. Emirates 777's are 10 across in coach. 16.7 inches wide.

The government employees won't be amused.

They don't care if we aren't amused.

The people who have the power to change policy don't ride coach.

Fat ass needs business class due to obesity? Reasonable accommodation for their "disability" 6'5" guy needs exit row due to long legs? Nope.

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Our intelligent electorate is too busy "discussing" the ridiculous idea of banning a religious populous totaling 1.5 billion from the United States. Soon to be seen at Augusta National.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...QA2Tg0uI_FBxSQ

No there to busy discussing climate change as the greatest threat to the United States. Gmafb!
I'm sure carbon caps will help the airline industry?

We had an SES in charge of my organization at the Pentagon who claimed a back problem--BINGO, automatic upgrade to Business Class whenever he traveled. I also had/have a back problem--no love, suck it up buttercup...

They are supporting the ME3. So much for claiming to be a hometown airline.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

What are you talking about? There are plenty of pilot jobs out there!;)
"...airline industry is being roiled by a pilot shortage...":D

Good riddance...

Good riddance to DBX?

Curious why, if that's what you mean. Its a 28 hour four day with a late departure and early return. When I last looked at the bid awards I noticed that it tends to go very senior.

I'd much rather fly DBX than a 16 hour LHR trip. To each their own I suppose, but that was a good trip.

Because it's a crap hole... Just like the rest of the ME...

Like you said "to each their own"... One mans crap is another's prize I guess... Credit time isn't everything.

I heard the same from guys coming up to EWR, too bad!
Always a shame to lose a productive trip!
Never been there but would have liked the opportunity..

You can no rev until end of January...

The real problem is this: Obama administration gives deference and preference to middle east interests over American interests. American jobs, careers, and families come in second again. China has all our debt and Middle East getting all of the influence and our jobs. Combine that with the bad spillover effects from NAFTA and all those manufacturing jobs outsourced to Latin America and Mexico and I don't see how our country can continue to support a viable middle class.