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Probe 02-22-2016 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by strfyr51 (Post 2073718)
We're modifying the first of the A319's from China.. Could be up to 25 that I've heard coming with the Nose Numbers of 48XX All are A319-132's with the V2527 engine.

I am sure the engines will be derated to our level, if they save money doing it. I can't remember what the normal flex temp was. If I remember right, it was 80 deg C. Even on short runways. If they have that engine, they were probably the "high-altitude" version, including aux O2 tanks in the aft cargo.

Grumble 02-22-2016 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 2073728)
I am sure the engines will be derated to our level, if they save money doing it. I can't remember what the normal flex temp was. If I remember right, it was 80 deg C. Even on short runways. If they have that engine, they were probably the "high-altitude" version, including aux O2 tanks in the aft cargo.

Someone posted previously the company wasn't spending the money to dial them back.

Probe 02-22-2016 11:25 PM

They probably also have a significantly lower MTOW than UAL's. Yeah, I know, a bunch more power, lower MTOW. Doesn't make sense. That is the way they were. Or, they could be a config that I have never heard of. UAL's 319's will fly a long way with a bunch less power.
It will be interesting to see how they are when they show up.

Boeing Aviator 02-23-2016 01:17 AM


Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA (Post 2073622)
Since it has always been about consumer votes and not "market fairness," you are probably correct. "Made in America" does not apply to air travel...just price and convenience.

With their state subsidies, their internal company costs are cents to our dollars. We wouldn't hold up for long. When the polished cabin service is added in, the disparity becomes even more pronounced.

However "fair" or "unfair," the market always wins. It is unlikely to be held off for very long.

Pete,

As long as we can prevent ME3 from coming into our hubs and directly completing with us. (at current US law prevents). Due to the large O/D traffic at all our international hubs, no matter how good the service difference . No one is connecting thru the Middle East to go to Europe or Asia from the US.

Wafu3939 02-23-2016 01:43 AM

Anyone know the predicted delivery schedule of the 40 + 25 73s?

Coach67 02-23-2016 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 2073397)
makes me laugh how we are going full circle on 737s… granted these are a bit larger than the 300 but still…

In the end glad we are getting 737s in larger numbers… good movement and quicker upgrades for all.

These are probably replacements for the 747-400's they are parking in 2017.

Dumping the 737 at L-UAL was so the merger would be approved by the DOJ.

Nucflash 02-23-2016 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Coach67 (Post 2073777)
Dumping the 737 at L-UAL was so the merger would be approved by the DOJ.

No, it was because Tilton was groveling to CAL mgt trying to make the merger look palatable. "Rightsizing" meant the 737s plus 1400 guys out the door....

NFLUALNFL 02-23-2016 09:05 AM

If you use a fixed number of pilots per airfame or staff based on block hours, these 65 narrowbodies mean at least 300 new Capt seats.

CLazarus 02-23-2016 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by NFLUALNFL (Post 2073941)
If you use a fixed number of pilots per airfame or staff based on block hours, these 65 narrowbodies mean at least 300 new Capt seats.

Don't get too excited, there's evidence suggesting this isn't all topline growth (see my previous post). If it is, awesome! But, I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed.

pilot772 02-23-2016 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by CLazarus (Post 2073667)
I just took a look at the newly posted UCH Annual Report (10-K). Most of the document frightens and confuses me, but it appears that Aircraft Operating Leases for 2016 and 2017 are projected at 1.3 Billion each year followed by steady decline to 700 million by 2020 (page 98). So, it seems that UAL might indeed be buying to replace aircraft coming off of leases that won't be renewed. Roughly two thirds of our 700/800s (99 aircraft precisely) are leased and have an average age of about 15 yrs (pg 22). So, I am not at all sure that these latest purchase announcements in themselves amount to very much end growth. But hey, I got to fly a shiny new ER the other day with the new hot mic switch. Beats a rubber band!

Could also be leases are being renegotiated at lower rates.


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