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Old 08-05-2016, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by XHooker View Post
Joe, my understanding is the fund has around $14M that will never be used. That money can be refunded because it will otherwise just sit there because, as you say, it cannot be used for any other purpose than LCAL pilots LTD. Therefore, it should be refunded. Regardless, the amount of money is a fraction of what Chuck states (I figure my portion is around $4K... a three day trip, not the month and a half pay Chuck mentions). Admittedly, my understanding could be way off from reality. I believe C5 discussed this recently in a blast mail, and the amount was significantly less than even the figure I came up with.
The problem is ONLY the company determines "never be used," so far they have NOT determined it will never be used. They own 100% of the plan liabilities, frankly I don't blame them.
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:28 AM
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The money is in a trust fund that cannot be used for ANYTHING other than what it is currently being used for. ALPA cannot force the company to take on more liability, which is exactly what refunding the plan now would do, no matter how much anyone huffs and puffs.
But....but....but.....
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni View Post
The problem is ONLY the company determines "never be used," so far they have NOT determined it will never be used. They own 100% of the plan liabilities, frankly I don't blame them.
I don't think it's possible for the money to be used either for the plan, or anyone else. I think the money in the plan can only be used by those already on LTD at the time of the UPA in late 2012, so the $14M is money above that finite cap. I don't see the endgame in anyone holding on to the money. Having said that, I'm admittingly thinking out loud rather than making a statement. Either way, I think Chuck's full of it and I'm not counting on spending that money.
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:57 AM
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I don't think it's possible for the money to be used either for the plan, or anyone else. I think the money in the plan can only be used by those already on LTD at the time of the UPA in late 2012, so the $14M is money above that finite cap. I don't see the endgame in anyone holding on to the money. Having said that, I'm admittingly thinking out loud rather than making a statement. Either way, I think Chuck's full of it and I'm not counting on spending that money.
I'm not sure how anyone can come up with a number like that because I'm assuming plan performance is somehow factored into the liability column. Also not sure how another potential age change would affect it either.
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Old 08-05-2016, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni View Post
I'm not sure how anyone can come up with a number like that because I'm assuming plan performance is somehow factored into the liability column. Also not sure how another potential age change would affect it either.
I'll bow to your superior knowledge, because I've exhausted mine at this point.
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Old 08-05-2016, 11:47 AM
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I'm not a IAH 171 member but Im sure I heard the Fred Greene the R&I Chair went to an LEC meeting and explained all that you all are bringing up here, why don't you just call him/email him and ask, he's probably has heard this so much he has a PDF explaining it all in detail.
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Old 08-05-2016, 01:00 PM
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Fellow Pilots of LC 171:

When I tossed my hat in the ring for the position of Captain Representative, I vowed to run a clean and ethical campaign based only on facts. Unfortunately, yesterday my competition chose to go into the “gutter” by completely distorting my message. I’m sincerely sorry that you all had to see that. That is not how we want to run our Council in Houston; however, I am now forced to defend myself and my positions.

My message to you was, is, and will continue to be: WHO is better able to bring resolution and attention to the LTD issue and pursue returning our 5% tranche to the Houston Pilots? Do we want the fox guarding the hen house, or a Representative who has “skin in the game?”

My opponent has a wholesale misunderstanding of the feelings of outrage being stated publicly by Houston Pilots. Let me be very clear--I never accused my opponent of stealing your money. But, I did offer facts and alternative solutions. Some of you have already contacted me to tell me how insulted you are to be lectured by my opponent on an issue that most already clearly understand and about which they feel very strongly. You have every right to expect your Local Council leaders to bring these concerns to management and the MEC for resolution.

However, this important election is also about many OTHER issues confronting Houston. I have heard your concerns regarding how you as a Legacy CAL or recalled UAL pilot feel you have been “swept under the rug.” The perceived (right or wrong) disdain for Houston pilots and those of you who were recalled can no longer be ignored. You deserve a Local Council leader who will talk about and confront these perceptions, not just pretend that we are all now “united.” You deserve Local Council officials and a MEC who will be sensitive to your concerns. I am the candidate who will no longer “look the other way.” I WILL stand up and make sure Houston pilots are counted.

Some of you have expressed anger that our Houston base was needlessly reduced creating upheaval for you and your families only to watch your position be recently backfilled with pilots from other bases. My opponent is your Local Council Scheduling Chairman! How has that worked out for us?

Many of you have expressed outrage over the fact that the MEC and various committees do not act on your concerns or complaints. Houston pilots pay union dues like every other pilot at United, and as such, deserve the same attention and advocacy when calling on any committee or the MEC for assistance, no matter their legacy. During this campaign, I have heard shameful and inexcusable stories of messages not being returned and/or “second-rate” service regarding complaints and concerns. I understand your feelings of outrage. I am running to represent and serve ALL Houston pilots without regard to anyone’s history as I have successfully done many times before.

Others have expressed concern over the perceived “purge” of Legacy Continental MEC committee members. If this is truly a merger of equals, we must expect that many good volunteers with diverse backgrounds will be given equal opportunities to volunteer. As your representative on the MEC, I will always vote for a committee candidate based on their resume and experience, not their past airline.

After more than twenty years in this base, ten of which I represented you in Safety and Training before management, the FAA and the NTSB, I never decided whose career or concern was worthy of my attention--I MERELY REPRESENTED EVERYONE. I will continue to be the pilot advocate I have always been. Whether you are a legacy United or Continental, a furloughed United pilot or a newly-hired pilot, it simply doesn’t matter. Representing you, oftentimes saving a career, is what I have done many times in the past, and I desire to do again. I like fighting for our pilots and am eager to serve all of you in the very near future.

No candidate is better prepared or qualified on day one to make the Houston Local Council "united" than me. My opponent’s latest message demonstrates his complete misunderstanding and frustration as he tries to show he “cares” about Houston. It is very obvious, that he does NOT know Houston and/or our unique issues. My opponent still has a Chicago telephone number. I wonder if he has more loyalty to Chicago and the United MEC than to Houston? I’m hoping he’s not like reps of the past--only wanting to climb the ALPA ladder and enjoy steak dinners and trip loss on YOUR dime.

When the time comes to go to Chicago as your representative, you can be assured that I will be representing the will of the base, not mine, and I vow to do so with vigor. Understanding the dynamics of the MEC is key. Houston holds a large voting block on the MEC. It is imperative that we in Houston maintain control of that vote. We need a representative committed to Houston’s unique issues and determined to put Houston first. I am that person. Please vote for me, Chuck Cummins, for Captain Representative for LC 171. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Captain Chuck Cummins
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Old 08-05-2016, 01:33 PM
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Doesn't Chuck have a wife or friend to tell him to put the shovel down? He's just digging his hole deeper and deeper......
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As a post SLI hire, no dog in the LCal LUAL fight. But I support Chuck. Why? Because I am tired of "Good unionists"telling me I chose reserve(I didn't), I am a Scab Lover( I am not), and I need to get with the LUAL program. The FOM works good enough for me. I have flown with Chuck and if my career was on the line I want him in my corner. If my base is on the line, I want Chuck in each one of us's Corner.
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As a post SLI hire, no dog in the LCal LUAL fight. But I support Chuck. Why? Because I am tired of "Good unionists"telling me I chose reserve(I didn't), I am a Scab Lover( I am not), and I need to get with the LUAL program. The FOM works good enough for me. I have flown with Chuck and if my career was on the line I want him in my corner. If my base is on the line, I want Chuck in each one of us's Corner.
So you want someone in your corner who has lied to the LEC council members? (There is no $100 million LTD money and he knows that because he was at the LC meeting where we were briefed). Someone who to this day (how many years post merge are we?) continues to label people based on where they came from? I could go on, but you have a vote like the rest of us.
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