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Andrew Levy thread missing????
What happened to the thread discussing Andrew Levy being selected as new CFO at United by Oscar Munoz? Rumor has it that Levy is basically a Lorenzo clone and a surprising appointment for the "pro employee" leader Munoz. Is OM changing his spots or just showing his true colors?
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Good question.....
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Yea... Where did THAT disappear to?
Mods??? |
So far, I have no answers.
Therefore: resume discussion. |
Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 2186879)
So far, I have no answers.
Therefore: resume discussion. Levy's Alligient bio stated he was a VP for Savoy Capital prior to Alligient. Savoy Capital, Inc. Management Draw your own conclusions. |
Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 2186879)
So far, I have no answers.
Therefore: resume discussion. |
Originally Posted by Probe
(Post 2186993)
I didn't know one of the Clinton clan was the moderator.
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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer
(Post 2187009)
He died tomorrow under suspicious circumstances.
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 2186879)
So far, I have no answers.
Therefore: resume discussion. APC is above board and doesn't try to control what's posted. Is it possible Munoz, Levy and/or United applied pressure to have the thread removed with threats of lawsuits or withholding advertisements from United and code share partners. |
Well if the dude can fake a heart attack, he certainly can force a pilot beatch board to delete harmful threads.
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
(Post 2187182)
Well if the dude can fake a heart attack, he certainly can force a pilot beatch board to delete harmful threads.
The fight will start when the board replaces Munoz with Levy. |
Originally Posted by AllenAllert
(Post 2187173)
As I recall, you created the original thread. Does a member have the privilege of deleting a thread he created even with many other poster contributing to the thread? There's normally an audit trail - right?
APC is above board and doesn't try to control what's posted. Is it possible Munoz, Levy and/or United applied pressure to have the thread removed with threats of lawsuits or withholding advertisements from United and code share partners. The other option is that you truly believe all this manure and have this odd obsession with OM; in which case you are literally too stupid to insult |
Originally Posted by AllenAllert
(Post 2187173)
As I recall, you created the original thread. Does a member have the privilege of deleting a thread he created even with many other poster contributing to the thread? There's normally an audit trail - right?
APC is above board and doesn't try to control what's posted. Is it possible Munoz, Levy and/or United applied pressure to have the thread removed with threats of lawsuits or withholding advertisements from United and code share partners. Only Mods or Admins can delete threads. I've asked, and no one has said who did it, or why. I'm not sure if it was intentional, or accidental. |
To reiterate, AL has ambitions beyond being a the #2 guy at a small carrier or the CFO of a huge one.
Levy left Allegiant Travel to seek a fresh challenge | Las Vegas Review-Journal
Originally Posted by AllenAllert
(Post 2187196)
The fight will start when the board replaces Munoz with Levy.
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Having worked previously for Allegiant for quite some time, his leaving was not his decision. There's a lot more that was going on behind the scenes.
If he tries to do the same things at United as what he did at Allegiant, he's going to be very disappointed. |
Originally Posted by eagleatr
(Post 2187612)
If he tries to do the same things at United as what he did at Allegiant, he's going to be very disappointed.
We need to be watchful of him. The best predictor of future performance is past performance. If he was an *** then why did UAL hire him? Did he do anything well or noteworthy in his previous positions? Did he only have a legacy of disdain around him from the work force? Has he ever actually worked for a living, or has he always been a suit? Anyone got a bio or resume on him? Everything I read about him is just business related. Can't find anything other than he was instrumental in starting up Allegiant. |
Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2187652)
Anyone got a bio or resume on him?
Andrew C. Levy has served as an officer of Allegiant since June 2001 and is responsible for our market planning, fleet planning, scheduling, fuel risk management and corporate development. He has also served as our chief financial officer since October 2007. From 1998 to 2001, Mr. Levy held various management positions at Mpower Communications. From 1996 to 1998, Mr. Levy worked on airline advisory and transactional work as a vice president with Savoy Capital, an investment company focused on the aviation sector. From 1994 to 1996, Mr. Levy held various positions with ValuJet Airlines including director of contracts with responsibilities for stations agreements, insurance, fuel purchasing and other related activities. Valujet, Savoy, and Allegiant. The trifecta! Oh, and he has a law degree but not a CPA or MBA. That makes him a rainbow unicorn in the CFO ranks. ;) |
Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
(Post 2187182)
Well if the dude can fake a heart attack, he certainly can force a pilot beatch board to delete harmful threads.
The post of the day, and Staller bit off on it. |
Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
(Post 2187661)
From an Allegiant SEC filing in 2009:
Andrew C. Levy has served as an officer of Allegiant since June 2001 and is responsible for our market planning, fleet planning, scheduling, fuel risk management and corporate development. He has also served as our chief financial officer since October 2007. From 1998 to 2001, Mr. Levy held various management positions at Mpower Communications. From 1996 to 1998, Mr. Levy worked on airline advisory and transactional work as a vice president with Savoy Capital, an investment company focused on the aviation sector. From 1994 to 1996, Mr. Levy held various positions with ValuJet Airlines including director of contracts with responsibilities for stations agreements, insurance, fuel purchasing and other related activities. Valujet, Savoy, and Allegiant. The trifecta! Oh, and he has a law degree but not a CPA or MBA. That makes him a rainbow unicorn in the CFO ranks. ;) |
Yeah, it definitely seems to be trending away from good employee relations. Dash 1 in flights ops is marginal at best, and the new Dash 2 went downhill from B.E.
I am sure glad we got the 2 year extension when we did. |
Originally Posted by eagleatr
(Post 2187612)
Having worked previously for Allegiant for quite some time, his leaving was not his decision. There's a lot more that was going on behind the scenes.
If he tries to do the same things at United as what he did at Allegiant, he's going to be very disappointed. |
Originally Posted by Probe
(Post 2187070)
Except the RHA is not controlled by us, it is controlled by a board made up of a few company and ALPA turds, and we don't have a say. Sounds like another A plan type fiasco to me.
Originally Posted by Probe
(Post 2187816)
Yeah, it definitely seems to be trending away from good employee relations. Dash 1 in flights ops is marginal at best, and the new Dash 2 went downhill from B.E.
I am sure glad we got the 2 year extension when we did. You're starting to sound like Chuck Cummins spewing ALPA hate. |
Hi Staller.
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Everything at Allegiant was run based on spending little to no money on the operation. If something went wrong, which happened a lot, it was automatically the fault of the pilot, not management, training, dispatch, scheduling, or anything.
The operation was WAAAAAYYYY understaffed, in all departments. It was cheaper to not have enough pilots, mechanics, dispatchers, agents and ground workers, and spare parts. Most maintenance was done by the lowest bidder, with all the resulting problems from that. As for why he left Allegiant, I know it wasn't his choice to leave. I know some of the details, and some of the rumors, but I couldn't give a specific reason as to why. I know a lot that went in to it, but I don't know if it was for one thing, or a combination of things. |
I forgot and left out the best part:
There was also the policy that on VFR days, landing fuel in the MD-80 was 5,000 lbs and the Airbus was 4,000 lbs. They said that was equal to 45 minutes. |
Originally Posted by AllenAllert
(Post 2187838)
You're starting to sound like Chuck Cummins spewing ALPA hate.
I support the winner of the IAH election, It was democratic, and fair But I also support what Chuck has done for ALPA members. Chuck has no hate for ALPA. Chuck, in my experience is much like a baseball umpire. He calls balls and strikes fairly. ALPA's not perfect, and if you care for something, then you really want to try hard to make it perfect. The whole "This is an aircraft carrier" speech that ALPA gives its members to tell them to slow down because change is slow is what drives members crazy. If you're trying to change the direction of the all ahead slow aircraft carrier and keep it from running aground, then you're gonna ruffle a few tail feathers. There's also been more than a few people in the past that have tried to help ALPA find its way. Some not so great stewards of ALPA's money and resources, but some were. Most people are smart enough to know that ALPA's not perfect, but nothing is. Many moons ago I worked allot with John Cox. He had allot to do with my ALPA work in the past. He gave me one great piece of advice. ALPA will take all you can give, and then some. When ALPA's through with you, it will chew you up and spit you out. That's when it's time for you to be a gentleman and pass the baton to the next person to continue the race. I just think it's Chuck's time to pass the baton. I see no hate in his heart for ALPA. I see that ALPA needs to do a better job in taking care of its military dues paying members, and a better job of returning moneys to its members in contractual provisions that it negotiated (LTD). It's not a valid argument to say "management has the money" when it was your negotiators that put the language in place to give management the money. It's time to start calling balls and strikes fairly regardless of who's up to bat. If ALPA's in the box, then so be it. If management's in the box then so be it. A little consistency goes along way to having some credibility. Without credibility there's not much trust. Without trust the unity won't be there when you need it. At the end of the day, you want Chuck on your team. He drives results and gets things done. And, there's allot of other guys out there that ALPA could get in their dugout and on their team if ALPA is perceived as playing ball the right way. Very sorry for the threat drift.... |
Originally Posted by eagleatr
(Post 2187925)
Everything at Allegiant was run based on spending little to no money on the operation. If something went wrong, which happened a lot, it was automatically the fault of the pilot, not management, training, dispatch, scheduling, or anything.
The operation was WAAAAAYYYY understaffed, in all departments. It was cheaper to not have enough pilots, mechanics, dispatchers, agents and ground workers, and spare parts. Most maintenance was done by the lowest bidder, with all the resulting problems from that. As for why he left Allegiant, I know it wasn't his choice to leave. I know some of the details, and some of the rumors, but I couldn't give a specific reason as to why. I know a lot that went in to it, but I don't know if it was for one thing, or a combination of things. His background and on-line profile's don't say much. That tells me that it is all about the relationship. 1. He either has crossed paths with or co-pollenated the same flowers that other current UAL managers have in the past, or were chums in a previous life: academia, fraternities, etc. 2. He may have history with board members. I wonder if he served on any boards where other UAL management were, or were possible board members as well. Often times people serve on multiple boards in different companies. 3. How did he get the job with Allegiant? What was the connection to land him that job? His departure may not have been his idea. Let's presume it wasn't. He had to have known that the end result was a few months out. In that few months prior to his departure he had to have been massaging his contacts to see what is out there. He either got a friend of a friend to drop his name, or his relationship was solid enough to self initiate the move and send out the right feelers and signals that he would be available. His experience is lack luster. Therefore it has to be all about the relationship. What relationship(s) did he leverage to land the position. If it was all about the relationship this concerns me because he will owe loyalty to and allegiance to the person or persons that swore him in and gave him the secret hand shake. That means they will tolerate poor performance and mistakes from him because they value that relationship as well. I think it's a red herring. I don't trust him until I know how he got the job and who are his minders. |
Originally Posted by Probe
(Post 2187816)
Yeah, it definitely seems to be trending away from good employee relations. Dash 1 in flights ops is marginal at best, and the new Dash 2 went downhill from B.E.
I am sure glad we got the 2 year extension when we did. I did research Julia Haywood. I am very impressed with her. It looks to me that she has some key skillsets that United needs in senior leadership. This may be the person who OM has picked to succeed him. Usually new CEO's pick someone within their first few years to mentor. This may be his pick. |
Originally Posted by sleeves
(Post 2187783)
Wow, If you could come up with an anti labor resume for an executive this would be it! I think we are gonna wish for the days of Smicek and Tilton. The new board run by the hedge funds must have selected him.
I am starting to connect some of the dots. Education and M Power experience may have more to do with his connections than Allegiant. I think at the next sit down with OM, our union should just ask him how, why, etc. Get it out in the open and on the record. Managers come and go, but the reality is, this is our airline. If this guy poops his pants we aren't going to wipe up his mess, but we may wipe the floor with him. OM should know we are watching and we don't have the patience or tolerance for any more anti-labor types. Normally a guy gets 3 strikes. I think he stepped up to the plate to an 0-2 count. |
Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2188047)
I did research Julia Haywood. I am very impressed with her. It looks to me that she has some key skillsets that United needs in senior leadership. This may be the person who OM has picked to succeed him. Usually new CEO's pick someone within their first few years to mentor. This may be his pick.
From the C34 update: Our concern with the appointment of Julia Haywood is less about her resume and more to do with the recommendations Boston Consulting Group (BCG) gave United under her leadership. The BCG recommended we start wholesale shrinking the airline to cut costs. They advocated we close the Los Angeles and Washington, D.C., hubs (and perhaps others) and take other draconian measures to close the cost gap between Delta and us. Everyone knows that in the airline industry, you cannot shrink your way to profitability. This is especially true during robust profitable years, as we currently experience. The failure of Haywood’s BCG to see the big picture is troubling. Their report was myopic, failing to identify the importance of closing the capacity gap with Delta, improving the operation, and the true value of hubs in LA and DC She is now in charge of such things. Just saying..... |
Baseball: excerpt from an LEC letter; you should have received hopefully by email:
In the case of Andrew Levy, management has failed to disclose all of his work history. The following facts should not have been left off his resume: · Andrew Levy was Mr. Frank Lorenzo’s right-hand man at Savoy Capital. Yes, that Frank Lorenzo, the one permanently banned from the airline industry. · Levy worked for ValuJet in 1996 when one of their planes crashed in the everglades killing 110 people. The underlying cause of the accident was blatant disregard for safety regulations due to cost cutting. Levy’s department was in the crosshairs of the investigation. · Levy possesses neither a CPA nor an MBA. Common sense would require them. · Allegiant is an ultra-low-cost operation, similar to ValuJet. The absence of an accident does not mean the presence of safety. · Levy has never worked for a large airline before. United Airlines is nearly 20 times the size of Allegiant with a different, far more complex business model. · After his departure from Allegiant in 2014, Allegiant came under federal scrutiny for suspicious financial dealings. As you can see, there are reasons to be concerned about the appointment of Andrew Levy. CEO Oscar Munoz assured us that, after a “top-down review” of the organization, there would be changes. We welcome change but strongly oppose the appointment of Levy; he is underqualified and is tainted by Lorenzo, ValuJet, and Allegiant. Our concern with the appointment of Julia Haywood is less about her resume and more to do with the recommendations Boston Consulting Group (BCG) gave United under her leadership. The BCG recommended we start wholesale shrinking the airline to cut costs. They advocated we close the Los Angeles and Washington, D.C., hubs (and perhaps others) and take other draconian measures to close the cost gap between Delta and us. Everyone knows that in the airline industry, you cannot shrink your way to profitability. This is especially true during robust profitable years, as we currently experience. The failure of Haywood’s BCG to see the big picture is troubling. Their report was myopic, failing to identify the importance of closing the capacity gap with Delta, improving the operation, and the true value of hubs in LA and DC. In summary, we are disappointed in the selection of both Andrew Levy and Julia Haywood. We wish them the best, but their track records do not sit well with us. |
Originally Posted by CLazarus
(Post 2187820)
I'd like to think somewhere along the way he's noticed that the best performing airlines over the long term are typically the ones with the best labor relations. But somehow I doubt that he has.
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
(Post 2188070)
FWIW, she was the head consultant at Boston Consulting Group for UAL and directed the recent consultant's report that recommended that UAL shrink to profitability
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One of the differences between Allegiant and United is that Allegiant receives large subsidies from the Casinos that they work with/for. That is a huge reason why they make money. Obviously, our business plan is completely different. I'm a little scared about this guy and what the Board might be plotting...
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Originally Posted by CLazarus
(Post 2188146)
Seen a copy of that report anywhere? On the original AL thread, I read the BCG report co-authored by her that did get posted. I recall it was generic to all airlines and didn't say anything about UAL shrinking any hubs.
BCG has been a consultant for UAL for a while and the LEC 34 letter was referencing an internal recomendation that is non-public except for the "broad strokes" that the LEC shared. |
Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2188035)
Do you know if he has a resume that can be found?
His background and on-line profile's don't say much. That tells me that it is all about the relationship. 1. He either has crossed paths with or co-pollenated the same flowers that other current UAL managers have in the past, or were chums in a previous life: academia, fraternities, etc. 2. He may have history with board members. I wonder if he served on any boards where other UAL management were, or were possible board members as well. Often times people serve on multiple boards in different companies. 3. How did he get the job with Allegiant? What was the connection to land him that job? His departure may not have been his idea. Let's presume it wasn't. He had to have known that the end result was a few months out. In that few months prior to his departure he had to have been massaging his contacts to see what is out there. He either got a friend of a friend to drop his name, or his relationship was solid enough to self initiate the move and send out the right feelers and signals that he would be available. His experience is lack luster. Therefore it has to be all about the relationship. What relationship(s) did he leverage to land the position. If it was all about the relationship this concerns me because he will owe loyalty to and allegiance to the person or persons that swore him in and gave him the secret hand shake. That means they will tolerate poor performance and mistakes from him because they value that relationship as well. I think it's a red herring. I don't trust him until I know how he got the job and who are his minders. I do not know if he has a resume available to see anywhere online or not. I know he had a previous history with Maury Gallagher at previous places, including ValuJet, and possibly WestAir prior to that. I know he was Maury Gallagher's right hand man at Allegiant, and was the designated successor up until he was let go. I say let go because his departure was one of those "has decided to pursue other opportunities effective immediately" kind of emails that was sent out on a Friday afternoon by someone else in management. I know he had a lot of interaction with various investment groups and other airlines. I don't know if he interacted with anyone from United. I also know he sat on other boards, but don't really remember which ones. |
Originally Posted by DashTrash
(Post 2188151)
One of the differences between Allegiant and United is that Allegiant receives large subsidies from the Casinos that they work with/for. That is a huge reason why they make money. Obviously, our business plan is completely different. I'm a little scared about this guy and what the Board might be plotting...
Actually they lost pretty much all those casino charters several years ago due to poor performance. Most of their money is made from all the things that are charged for besides the price of the ticket: seat assignment, a fee for purchasing a ticket, checked bag fees, carry on bag fees, sales of drinks and snacks on the plane (nothing's free, not even water), and printing the ticket at the airport. |
Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 2187218)
Yes, I was the OP, and I thought the discussion was well within guidelines here.
Only Mods or Admins can delete threads. I've asked, and no one has said who did it, or why. I'm not sure if it was intentional, or accidental. |
It was "New United Leaders," but at this point, it has been effectively recreated.
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Andrew Levy thread missing????
Butt posted - apologies!
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