Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 2214120)

Yep

18/3/3/4
No scope or PS changes
Incremental increases in training and vacation pay

biggest questions are about OE trips pulls, sick leave changes and a few others.

Originally Posted by BeeWatcher (Post 2214199)

Rough back of the napkin calculation... Immediate 4-5% increase to current rates then matching their 3-3-4 vs. our 3-3-2

Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 2214225)

Hopefully Sled can afford some new house slippers. ;)

Originally Posted by UALfoLIFE (Post 2214230)

Currently it's 2017-3, 2018-2, with the snap up it will be 17-3, 18-3, 19-4. We currently get nothing in 2019.

Originally Posted by UALfoLIFE (Post 2214230)

Currently it's 2017-3, 2018-2, with the snap up it will be 17-3, 18-3, 19-4. We currently get nothing in 2019.

Originally Posted by Monkeyfly (Post 2214298)

I don't think that this is how it works.

My math shows a 5.47% additional increase to our published rates by 2018.

Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 2214306)

If it makes any difference in your math, here it is explained better.

18% retro to Jan 1, 2016
3% Jan 1, 2017
3% Jan 1, 2018
4% Jan 1, 2019

Originally Posted by davessn763 (Post 2214368)

Retro? I thought I was told it couldn't be done.

Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 2214392)

Initially it was said it would be negotiated after a signed deal. Question is if anything was given up by ALPA to secure it.

Originally Posted by UALfoLIFE (Post 2214367)

The UAL MEC snap up calculator shows 4.47 immediate then 3-3-4.

Originally Posted by jsled (Post 2214691)

I ain't gonna run out and buy that Vette just yet, BUT.... this 'snap up' (if it works as advertised and DAL ALPA ratifies) will take the 737 to $282 and the 77/78/764 to $350. Thanks to the Extension, we're looking at about 25% raises over 3 years. OUTSTANDING. Is it no wonder it passed by such a large margin?

Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 2214698)

The company saves millions/day by not giving us a new contract the day of the amendable date forward. They can afford full retro into perpetuity unless you sign a contract saying you don't want it.

Delta was already over $400 million is savings so far in 2016 and that doesn't include interest it can make on that money.

Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 2214723)

The benefit of hindsight makes one infinitely wiser.

Originally Posted by jsled (Post 2214740)

16% guaranteed and 2 years to let Delta plus it up? That's called betting on the come. You can call it hindsight now if you want. But we all knew it was more likely than not. Sift though the old posts if you don't believe me. Looks like Christmas is coming early this year. ;)

Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 2214716)

Where is the snap up calculator located?

Originally Posted by Probe (Post 2214767)

Yup. The extension is the greatest gift I have ever been given as an airline puke. Now, I get more.

But hey? We could have used our "leverage" in Section 6, and gotten something similar, in 4 years, with no retro.

Cha-ching

Originally Posted by Probe (Post 2214767)

Yup. The extension is the greatest gift I have ever been given as an airline puke. Now, I get more.

But hey? We could have used our "leverage" in Section 6, and gotten something similar, in 4 years, with no retro.

Cha-ching

Originally Posted by Shrek (Post 2214799)

There is a link on the other board.

Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 2214716)

Where is the snap up calculator located?

Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2214857)

You're smoking crack.

DAL is only getting the rates they are because DAL has never accepted anything less than industry leading wages, because...

We voted in the extension that put us on top which gave DAL the leverage for....

This TA, which....

Will enact the snap up leading to another raise.

You keeping up?

You seriously think any of this would've happened by now if we'd voted the extension down?

If you don't like your QOL, you can now work significantly less for the same money you were making 10 months ago.

Originally Posted by UALfoLIFE (Post 2214870)

Turn up your sarcasm meter.

Originally Posted by UALfoLIFE (Post 2214869)

http://ual.alpa.org/ContractExtensionWebpage/tabid/9942/Default.aspx/

Originally Posted by Probe (Post 2214727)

I forget, what is "interest". It used to be something. Now it is zero.

Originally Posted by Probe (Post 2214767)

Yup. The extension is the greatest gift I have ever been given as an airline puke. Now, I get more.

But hey? We could have used our "leverage" in Section 6, and gotten something similar, in 4 years, with no retro.

Cha-ching

Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2214857)

You're smoking crack.

DAL is only getting the rates they are because DAL has never accepted anything less than industry leading wages, because...

We voted in the extension that put us on top which gave DAL the leverage for....

This TA, which....

Will enact the snap up leading to another raise.

You keeping up?



You seriously think any of this would've happened by now if we'd voted the extension down?

If you don't like your QOL, you can now work significantly less for the same money you were making 10 months ago.

Originally Posted by Probe (Post 2215033)

You mistook my meaning. We are in total agreement.

Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2215055)

Yeah see above for sarcasm meter MRD. :D

Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2214857)

You're smoking crack.

DAL is only getting the rates they are because DAL has never accepted anything less than industry leading wages, because...

We voted in the extension that put us on top which gave DAL the leverage for....

This TA, which....

Will enact the snap up leading to another raise.

You keeping up?

You seriously think any of this would've happened by now if we'd voted the extension down?

If you don't like your QOL, you can now work significantly less for the same money you were making 10 months ago.

Originally Posted by qball (Post 2215218)

Plus we had to vote down a substandard POS TA and then you guys raised the bar. I'm sure it was a factor.

Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 2215366)

Big thank you for voting down the POS15 and holding the line on no more large RJs now. Hope when the final TA wording comes out you guys like what you see.

Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2215448)

I think all groups are starting to get that it's a team effort to raise the bar, not a competition.

Originally Posted by buscappy (Post 2215526)

would be great if the groups stuck in bidding wars at the plethora of rj operators would start to get it - and raise that bar as well. seems the only reason the boards and c-suites at the legacies use rj operators is to be able to have pilots bid against each other in a race to the bottom