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webecheck 10-13-2016 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by dmeg13021 (Post 2222657)
AWARD Work (30 Oct-29 Nov)

Guaranteed to get a line though

So it will automatically create an award work bid for people above the g line?

APC225 10-13-2016 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 2222774)
Why do pilots come to these boards to ask PBS questions during the bidding window and wait/hope for a timely answer?

There is a resource run by the union and staffed by PBS trainers/volunteers to assist with bidding questions during the bidding window:

Untitled Document

This site is posted each and every month in the PBS Committee newsletter blastmailed to all pilots around the time bidding opens. They have a live chat window to have a conversation with an expert to help you figure out a bid strategy.

Not trying to be a **** at all. Just saying there is a better (official) option than the pilot forums to get the most accurate answer.

Webecheck was asking the question after bidding had closed because he didn't get his bid in on time. The good experts at prefbid aren't there all the time. After the bid closes this is what you see, although "click to leave a message" may get an answer.

dmeg13021 10-13-2016 05:45 AM

No, but assuming you haven't submitted a reserve bid group anywhere in your month's line up, it will go into lineholder completion mode and build you a legal line. Its last ditch effort (completion mode 4) inserts AWARD Work (L--) as your first line, thus guaranteeing you a line full of out-base redeyes and non-commutable trips. But a line nonetheless.

webecheck 10-13-2016 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 2222774)
Why do pilots come to these boards to ask PBS questions during the bidding window and wait/hope for a timely answer?

There is a resource run by the union and staffed by PBS trainers/volunteers to assist with bidding questions during the bidding window:

Untitled Document

This site is posted each and every month in the PBS Committee newsletter blastmailed to all pilots around the time bidding opens. They have a live chat window to have a conversation with an expert to help you figure out a bid strategy.

Not trying to be a **** at all. Just saying there is a better (official) option than the pilot forums to get the most accurate answer.

Nobody is on station there once the window closes and the gonculator starts processing. I tried, of course.

webecheck 10-13-2016 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by dmeg13021 (Post 2222790)
No, but assuming you haven't submitted a reserve bid group anywhere in your month's line up, it will go into lineholder completion mode and build you a legal line. Its last ditch effort (completion mode 4) inserts AWARD Work (L--) as your first line, thus guaranteeing you a line full of out-base redeyes and non-commutable trips. But a line nonetheless.

Ok, thanks. I was on reserve at IAH last month, but had deleted all my reserve bids and was reworking my line bids for LAX next month. So, not a single bid, regular or standing, got submitted. PDF from last day of the window showed all bids were in fact left open.

cadetdrivr 10-13-2016 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by webecheck (Post 2222797)
So, not a single bid, regular or standing, got submitted.

Well, if nothing else, I'm pretty confident you'll never do that again.

webecheck 10-13-2016 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 2222808)
Well, if nothing else, I'm pretty confident you'll never do that again.

True statement....

got in late from a Panama overnight, surely there is some sort of allowance for that. 😄

svergin 10-13-2016 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by webecheck (Post 2222797)
Ok, thanks. I was on reserve at IAH last month, but had deleted all my reserve bids and was reworking my line bids for LAX next month. So, not a single bid, regular or standing, got submitted. PDF from last day of the window showed all bids were in fact left open.

The obvious answer is to let FOs have 2 extra days to bid since they don't even process our bids until after the Captains have been completed. We are just locked out and nothing is happening with them. There is no reason today with the current level of computing power that this thing can't just publish lines in a couple hours and not days. My guess is that the back end looks alot like the front end (or whatever you computer guys call it) and the solver is just another thrown together POS.

Grumble 10-13-2016 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2222911)
The obvious answer is to let FOs have 2 extra days to bid since they don't even process our bids until after the Captains have been completed. We are just locked out and nothing is happening with them. There is no reason today with the current level of computing power that this thing can't just publish lines in a couple hours and not days. My guess is that the back end looks alot like the front end (or whatever you computer guys call it) and the solver is just another thrown together POS.

You need a quantum computer processor to do it in hours, those currently only exist in laboratories.

APC225 10-13-2016 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2222911)
The obvious answer is to let FOs have 2 extra days to bid since they don't even process our bids until after the Captains have been completed. We are just locked out and nothing is happening with them. There is no reason today with the current level of computing power that this thing can't just publish lines in a couple hours and not days. My guess is that the back end looks alot like the front end (or whatever you computer guys call it) and the solver is just another thrown together POS.

Excellent idea. The earliest the captain bids have ever come out is the 15th. FO bidding could easily stay open through the 14th with no impact on that run.


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